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News Anchor Completely Loses It For The Best Possible Reason

You’d call this guy crazy if he weren’t brilliant, concise and 100% right-on-the-money.

  • Maxwell Pomeroy Sr.

    I wish that guy would really tell us how he feels.

    • Andy Schwarz

      He was Awesome and honest, which is what all other hosts lack these days due to corruption within media…… It’s so messed up from the food we eat and the air we breathe. This is all planned by the Elite to watch this country break down . They are spraying chemtrails over our heads, poisoning the water with fracking, and putting cancer causing things in our foodwhile make $ from it! but all you sheople will deny it until the end, hoping they’ll play nice.Even law enforcement has families being affected from these things, but obey b/c of payoffs……

  • Ed Mitchell

    This guy isn’t crazy. Frustrated. Yes. Crazy? No.

    • World Source

      They are delusional..the president has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything. He is the PUPPET, the voice of big business. HE IS TOLD WHAT TO DO AND SAY!

      • Jennifer Marcus

        sorry ..YOU ARE DELUSIONAL! ..

      • amyetkind

        Oh, and Congress isn’t? The GOP is bought and paid for with Koch Brothers money. Republicans? No, John Birch Society meatpuppets.

        • http://www.buellreview.com/ D Buell

          The GOP? What about the democrat party bough and paid for with George Soros money???? He has 10 times the assets of the Koch Brothers! What about the trillions spent by Democrats on green energy? those same companies took their subsidy and went to China! How about out of the 10 RICHEST members of Congress, 7 of them are Democcrats?????

          • RedEyeJedi

            Because better educated people usually make more money.

          • MnVoiceofReason

            You’re right. John Kerry is “smart” to have married into money…..TWICE! The guy hasn’t had an honest job since his paper route and he’s worth 200M. It’s easy to throw around moeny when it isn’t rightfully yours.

          • RedEyeJedi

            Yes, that was a smart move, to marry into money (and be the genetic descendant of the Forbes family).
            The fact his family had money, does not negate his intelligence (the level of which is of course debatable), nor does it disprove a well-known fact that people with higher education usually make more money.
            So what is your point?

          • MnVoiceofReason

            No qualms there…My point is here’s worth 200M and hasn’t produced a fucking thing.

          • RedEyeJedi

            Glancing over the lost of “50 Richest in Congress”, seems like most of them inherited money or married into it. In the top 10, only Warner, Renacci, and Delaney (Two democrats and one republican) made their own money.
            http://media.cq.com/50richest/the-50-richest-members-of-congress-113th-2013.html

          • RedEyeJedi

            This list is really making me think, and I don’t like it; almost none of these people have any qualification for holding an office (that qualification, to me, being an expert in some field, a technocrat, be it a businessman/entrepreneur, or an educator, or a scientist/engineer, or an economist.)

          • Mike

            Delving a little deeper, the most laughable state of affairs is the House Science Committee – a group consisting mainly of people (I’ll let everyone do some research into which political party they subscribe to) who deny the basic tenets of science because the Bible don’t say nuffin’ about dinosaurs or humanity’s capacity to burn insane amounts of carbon.

          • K9Justice

            Not only are those 7 richest Democrats but they earned their money after they became a member of Congress. Talk about being bought…

          • ilisius

            How about the 1000+ Republicans who made a fortune after being elected? Get real; they’re all in the same boat!

          • Rhonda Hunt

            how about all those Democrats that got rich the same way,you have to be a liberal they are the only ones who would make a dumb statement like that,the point this man is making is it is both parties at fault,and most of them are corrupt and out for themselves,and that is not just at the federal level,its from the top on down to the state and City level,we see the same things taking place in the little town we live in,we are drowning in over priced services at all level of Government,its like trying to fill up a bottomless hole,no matter how much money comes in they always want more and more,when the unrighteous rule sin increases at every level just as it has in our time it is unabashed greed,for money materialism ,the want of everything, its present in business, banking,religion,politics,its the love of money to the extreme and what it can do for us we think,but we are deluded if we believe it is not destructive.—Jim Hunt

          • Mitchell Davis

            Any millionaire, Democrat or Republican, that wants to keep the government from a fair level of taxation doesn’t give a crap about the country. Those that are trying to increase taxes on the uber-wealthy to a fair level and give away most of their money, tend to give a shit.

            Of the two major parties, both have members of the former category; however, the only one that has members of the latter category are the Democrats. They’re both corrupt parties, but one of them has people that actually give a shit, one of them has people that actually know how to balance the budget and care about the health and well-being of the nation, and only one of them has members that want justice and equality for the people.

          • Conservative NOT Racist

            Your reply was so convoluted and poorly written, it took me a minute to understand what you were saying. I think the basics of it are “democrats care about the country and the health of it’s citizens, and republicans are greedy pigs.” Does that sound about right?

            Do you realize exactly how freaking stupid that post is? As well as being hypocritical and full of so many lies that it would take a team of investigators years to compile all the research that shows exactly how full of BS it is. Justice and equality from a DEMOCRAT? BWAHAHAHAHAAHAA! That’s freaking hilarious! They are the biggest liars in the world, who care nothing for anything EXCEPT their own power and money, using the minorities as virtual slaves to them by BUYING them with free stuff.

            This thread is so full of liberal rhetoric that it makes it painful to read. The prime story is that the jackass in the clip was telling everyone that we need to let a pathological liar take total charge of the government. To that, any normal THINKING PERSON would say “hell no!” But being liberal is far from being normal, and even farther from being a thinking person. Idiots.

          • Asher Smith

            Not really, it seems the intended meaning is clear, although it does include much qualitative conversation.

            Questions for you.

            Is it loving to mock someone so as this seems to be what you are doing?

            If you are a republican then what are the good points of the democrats (or if you support the right what are the good aspects of the left) or vise-versa.

          • Conservative NOT Racist

            Frankly, I could care less what idiots from the moron dumbasscrat side think. Oh, wait. That’s an oxymoron. You idiots DON’T think. What could I have been thinking, which conservatives ARE more capable of doing than those from the liberal idiot side.

          • Asher Smith

            So based on your answer conservatives are haters? Remember the reason that stereotypes exist is because they are connected to reality … you are representing those that are like whether you like it or not.

          • Conservative NOT Racist

            Nice try, but no. You don’t get to be the little bitch that turns everything around to race, hate and intolerance. What intolerance I have idiots like you have EARNED little child. By your total failure to act like an adult, and supply your OWN NEEDS without nanny Obuttmonkey and his racist, hate filled little ass wipes holding onto your uppity, entitlement yearning hand. Grow up you little douchebag. And stop blaming everyone who doesn’t want to support your lame ass for all your self incurred problems.

          • deanna smith

            yea free stuff like equal rights…

          • Asher Smith

            Your evidence? ;)

          • bandmanager007

            Money that goes to green energy benefits us all. Money that goes to the Koch’s only benefits the Koch’s. How can you compare the two? Show me proof that all money going to green energy goes to China.

          • http://www.buellreview.com/ D Buell

            Are you totally unaware that A123 battery, Solyndra and GM electric car parts moved to China????

          • MShowerhead

            “You said something bad about Republicans?? ::rabble rabble rabble rabble::”
            “Well you said something about Democrats?? ::rabble rabble rabble rabble::”
            “I’m gonna ignore everything you said because I heard you say Republicans!! ::rabble rabble rabble rabble::”
            “That could be a fair argument if you didn’t bring up Democrats!! ::rabble rabble rabble rabble::”

            You all missed the point of the video.

          • Jeff

            MShowerhead, thanks at least one person here gets it.

          • lcuvillier

            Absolutely – they both got us in this mess. It took decades to get us here and it will take decades to get us out. I am just thankful my God is bigger. Christ is coming one day and He will set this straight.

          • MShowerhead

            No no, let’s not do that. You are entitled to your faith, but we cannot sit around and wait for zombies to fix everything. You can sit around and pray things will get better, or you can stand up and work to change the system.

            Just because the media covers Democrat and Republican, it doesn’t mean that they’re our only options. Both parties have become parodies of themselves and we feed into their entitlement. We have the ability to fix this, but again, this involves putting our prayer books down, tying our own shoelaces like the adults that we’re supposed to be, and going out to actually work towards change.

            Do you know how many people told me that they voted because ‘one guy was better than the other guy’? Really, we want to give the highest seat in America to the lesser of two evils? Just because we have the right to vote, doesn’t mean that these politicians have EARNED our votes.

            I will sooner sit on my hands than vote for an inferior product. I did it in 2012, and I will continue to do it until someone steps up and earns my votes.

          • Mitchell Davis

            “I will sooner sit on my hands than vote for an inferior product. I did it in 2012, and I will continue to do it until someone steps up and earns my votes.”

            So, instead of voting for the person you think is most likely to do a better job, you’ll do nothing? That type of thinking is exactly what lead to the shutdown. If that’s not taking a shit on democracy, I don’t know what is.

          • MShowerhead

            If Option A is a C- and Option B is a C+, I’m not voting for either. We’ve let our standards drop. We need A candidates and nothing less. Our system doesn’t allow for it because we need one Democrat and one Republican (and then an independent to act as a sideshow). We shouldn’t be supporting a system that presents us with mediocrity. I want the best leaders, not the best politicians with the most financial backing.

            Stupidity and politics led to the shutdown. Republicans need to become more relevant and in tune with what’s going on today. Democrats need to turn down the Randy Newman songs and realize that everybody doesn’t need to be holding hands.

            America: We stand united, while we independently co-exist. That’s what it’s about. Practice religion freely, don’t impinge on somebody else’s rights, and mind your own business. Work to make the country and citizens’ lives better, for the present and for the future. That’s all we can and should do.

            If more people stepped up and refused to support this nonsense that continues to be put in front of us, there would be no need for a shutdown.

          • Thomas Pearson

            Yes I have to agree here because when we vote for bad candidates then we get only more bad candidates to vote for later on as the good candidates who don’t win will get less support for the next election.

            It becomes a vicious cycle of diminishing returns to the point that candidates on BOTH sides are now the lesser of both evils.

            I hardly vote anymore.

          • redpatriotmom

            we don’t live in a Democracy we live in a Republic

          • Thomas Pearson

            ???

            I was referring to bad candidates,not what form of government we have.

            What made you see otherwise?

          • Sokr8ez

            It is called nullification. The majority do not support the system. Do not finance it. The system takes too much and gives too little.

          • Mitchell Davis

            How, exactly, does one nullify a system by not participating in it, if others do? You are simply giving more power to those that do participate.

            Your comment does not make sense.

          • Rodney Johnson

            Let us get that correct. We used to live in a Republic. We have not in years. The coffin lid was closed by the Current care taker ie head golf player.

          • delores_in_wa_state

            You need to go back and refresh your US History facts.

          • Thomas Pearson

            It is STILL a Republic in form but not being treated as one in practice since it is now a special interest nation and the voters fail to notice the show that is going on right in front of them.Recently the numbers for Obamacare has been released and it shows why voting as a democrat is a very foolish idea:

            Obamacare Increases Premiums by As Much As 305 Percent

            September 25, 2013

            By Andrew Lundeen

            EXCERPT:

            The numbers are finally out for Obamacare premiums and they look expensive. From Forbes (emphasis added):

            “Based on a Manhattan Institute analysis of the HHS numbers, Obamacare will increase underlying insurance rates for younger men by an average of 97 to 99 percent, and for younger women by an average of 55 to 62 percent. Worst off is North Carolina, which will see individual-market rates triple for women, and quadruple for men.”

            Young men in Nebraska will see the largest increase in their
            premiums, up 279 percent, for the bronze level plan. Young women in
            Nebraska will also see the largest increase, up 227 percent.

            http://taxfoundation.org/blog/obamacare-increases-premiums-much-305-percent
            ====================================================================================
            Many Republicans and Tea Party members warned of increased costs for over two years and even from the CBO that were ignored or ridiculed by the ignorant democrats.

            It is a good thing that ZERO republicans in the Congress voted for ACA.This is a 100% liberal millstone that can be used to smash them with for 2014.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Lying about Romneycare doesn’t change the fact that it doesn’t increase premiums for consumers.

          • Leonidcat

            The combination of heavily subsidized demand and tight, over-regulated supply is a textbook formula for perpetuating the big, chronic price increases that bedevil today’s health-care system.

            Instead of attacking the real causes of the explosion in costs — the combination of overly generous state aid and a dearth of competition among hospitals and physician groups — Massachusetts is vilifying prestigious, non-profit insurers, and punishing them, believe it nor not, with price controls. In April, Governor Deval Patrick refused the request of carriers such as Harvard Pilgrim, the top-rated plan in the country, for premium increases of 8% to 32%. Instead, his administration is refusing all rate hikes over 7.7%; any rate requests the administration rejects are automatically held at 2009 levels.

            They are also having problems paying for the program that subsidizes people. They only have about 5% that were uninsured and there are still 3% that aren’t insured but plan to get insurance when they need it. Some insurance companies have left the state and they have also lost doctors. A subsidy comes from taxpayers dollars so they will sooner or later have to pay for all this.

            As for business – they will now charge more so the cost of living will go up.

          • Aaron Wilcox

            The original plan for Obama care was simple and has been proven to be better then our current health care by most of Europe Canada and almost every other developed nation in the world. Everybody would have paid a tax which would have given every American citizen health care and if you chose to have better insurance then you simply bought additional on your own money. The republicans are the ones that forced obama care to be the mess we know it is now. Further more you seem to have missed the point entirely. Republicans are bought and paid for. Democrats are bought and paid for. As long as we keep ignoring the problem with our bipartisan democracy our country will countinue to rot.

          • cypresslady

            Not a single Republican voted for this plan that the Democrats created. Try again. This is all a result of back room, closed door politics.

          • Leonidcat

            Passed din the middle of the night while no one had a chance to read it.

          • Leonidcat

            So do you have any idea what Europeans pay in taxes? Much more than we do. Further go study Germany. Their clinics are staffed by many volunteers as are their hospitals. See over there they help out. Over here we have the liberals crying that something has to be done but they never pitch in and do it, they just run to the government and the taxpayers get screwed.

            My good friend lives in Canada and came here for cancer treatment because her waiting time was 6 to 7 months before she could get care. That’s good health care? You need to go study before commenting. You need to get facts instead of spewing what others say and what you read in the biased media.

            No one has missed the point that BOTH parties are bought and paid for. There are a few in those parties that have the best interest of America at heart, but not many are left. Stop donating money to either party. Stop supporting their hand picked candidates and go out and learn and talk to those running in primaries then support the one you believe will represent you.

            Until Americans get off the couch and get involved, we will be controlled by the 47% who take from the other 53% who work.

          • Ed Mitchell

            You failed to mention that any healthcare that person received for their cancer treatment was paid for by the Canadian government. You really need to study before commenting.You need to get the facts instead of spewing what others say and what you read in the biased media. Why is it that the healthiest countries in the world have universal healthcare systems? Why is it that the United States is 40th in the world for healthcare, and we spend more for it than any of these countries? Our infant mortality rate is abysmal compared to these other countries with universal healthcare. We have thousands die every year from prescription drug overdoses in this country and no one says a word about it. We have more medicine, more hospitals and more doctors but we have one of the sickest and unhealthiest populations in the world. Where is the outrage? Oh wait. Universal healthcare is bad.

          • Kasot

            In Costa Rica they have universal health care. One can get private insurance, but it will not pay for preexisting conditions. The hospital buildings are adequate, not corporate owned for profit or owned as a tax write off by the super rich as in the USA.

            The life expectancy is higher than in the USA, It works quite well here, There are always exceptions, but generally it serves it’s citizens well.

          • abdulwalee

            Still doesn’t mean there will be quality healthcare. All systems are corrupt. Take the insurance mix out and maybe people can get well. It’s just as broke as the financial s and political systems

          • cypresslady

            Obamacare was never meant to succeed. It is only meant to be such a failure and unaffordable that it will increase the numbers receiving medicaid and the people will cry foul and the Democrat’s solution will be single-payer socialist medicine. What they have wanted all along.

          • Leonidcat

            You are correct. In Mass. most of the insurance companies have left the state and there are not enough doctors. Also, when people need coverage they sign up and that is causing huge deficits in the program. People need to learn that the government cannot do anything correctly. Look at their track record:

            Education is a failure

            War on Poverty – 27% more people, per capita in property today than at the inception of the program.

            Model Cities – Detroit was the poster child and what we got was a downtown slum.

            Department of Energy – created to get us off foreign oil

            VA – why not stop spending money on running their own hospitals, which are failures and give our service people good insurance so they can at least choose their care.

            Medicare – many doctors, hospitals and clinics refuse to take new patients.

            Medicaid – same as Medicare and just as riddled with fraud.

            I could go on, but why? People just keep depending on something that will ultimately fail them.

          • Leonidcat

            You forgot to add the numbers released from the Congressional Budget Office. They estimate that Obamacare will COST TAXPAYERS $2.1 TRILLION in the next 10 years. All to insure about 30 million people, some of which were already Medicaid eligible? Why didn’t we just subsidize health care cooperatives and let the states run them with that money. It’s not about health care – it’s about nationalization of an entire industry.

          • Leonidcat

            No it was closed in the 60′s by LBJ and his Great Society programs. We are still paying for most of them and they are failures.

          • bigdoggy1205

            Not any more. We used to live in a Republic, we have let it go. We now live in a Democracy, almost hinging towards an olgarchy. We need to get it back before it too late.

          • Leonidcat

            One of our founders called Democracy mob rule. What we have today is a two party system that is bought and paid for by banks, Wall Street and special interest groups. We have self-serving politicians like Reid, Pelosi, McCain, Waters, McConnell, etc. who continue to get re-elected because they bring pork to their states and they say (not do) what the people want to hear.

            What we have today is socialism, creeping very quickly toward communism. If you don’t believe that go to YouTube and search for “Ted Cruz’ father gives and epic speech” and see how it works. We have been warned numerous times: Lenin stated once that one of the last pieces of implementing communism it the nationalization of healthcare and banking. We are at the healthcare stage and because of mis-mangement and bad political appointments we have nationalized Fannie and Freddie.

            khrushchev had a quote “We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.”

          • Kasot

            Bull roar Leonidcat, it is called fascism, or as Mussolini liked to call it, Corporatism,
            please, a smart man like you should know the difference.

          • markfive

            Ah, the exact position of the banks: we don’t live in a Democracy.

          • Vintage Gibson

            We are “supposed” to live in a Republic, not a democracy; however, the reality is neither. The current US political system is a conspired, complicit, elitist oligarchy. The US Congress is being directed by this oligarchy and only directly is unaware of the power that it imposes over the Congress. The Executive branch is also being directed by this oligarchy along with the courts. Otherwise all the illegal and unconstitutional crap that is unbalancing our 3 branches of government would be stopped because one branch would work to prevent the others from breaking the law. But when a government is being controlled by an outside force, it breaks down and no one is prosecuted, they cover for each other for a variety of reasons including: money, power, promise of protection, and promise of prevention of prosecution for their own crimes. The US became first a incorporation run by corporate rules rather than the constitution and now has become this Oligarchy ruled by a few elitist power mongers who are working to run the whole world economy and “manage” and control all the resources of the planet. The preponderance of people will call this impossible because as long as it isn’t affecting them too directly, they will tolerate and disbelieve it. But the axe will fall and fall hard one day.

          • Leonidcat

            I disagree about corporate rulers. I would, however, agree about bankers and Wall Street.

          • Vintage Gibson

            Bankers and Wall Street are corporate rulers. If not, what would you call them?

          • Leonidcat

            True but we vote democratically and that’s what they are talking about.

          • Linda Balles Packer

            Voting is our one chance to change things. I find it interesting that those that yell the loudest about how terrible our government is are the ones who don’t exercise their American right to vote. By disenfranchising yourself you only empower the worst of those who are ambitious enough to seek public office. If you don’t like the candidates you can always do a write-in vote.

          • Thomas Pearson

            How many write in candidates have won in the Senate,White house?

            The real problem are the LOUSY choices we have to consider as the better ones have a distressing tendency to lose in the primaries.

            Please don’t bother me with your disenfranchising remarks again because it makes you appear out of touch with reality of what is happening to America where the majority of the voters chose the candidates who will send them money in some form that slowly weakens their individual power and foster increasing dependency.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Yes, it’s out of touch to say that you cannot fix a system that is changed by voting, by, you know, voting. *sarcasm*

            You’re bitching about not hitting the right target all the while refusing to take a shot.

          • Thomas Pearson

            LOL,

            you keep missing the point because you are still infatuated with the belief that voting for somebody will fix it when the ENTIRE PROCESS is corrupted!

            Meanwhile it is already too late to save the country as it is steeped in corruption and greed.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Too late? Sorry, I take it you’re backing that up with statistics? You’re a historian? Sociologist? Economist? Curiously, these fields and more conflict with your opinion.

            Whatever; go be the Doomsday Crier, taking care to note that the only thing that will cause this system to implode is if either so many people stop voting that the system is left up to the rich. When you work to prevent the country from being saved, you are one of the strongest forces of it’s actual destruction- and you’re even failing at that.

          • Thomas Pearson

            You STILL miss the point!

            It is no wonder why we have so many bad apples in the White House.

            Please go away and try your drivel on someone else.

          • Leonidcat

            So I have a Masters in Economics and a minor in History. I can certainly say it “might” be too late because we are now over $87 TRILLION in debt because of government over-spending and borrowing to buy votes. $87 TRILLION you say? Yes, if you count all the government under funded and unfunded future obligations for the next 10 years that would be the figure you would get. Social Security has been systematically robbed to pay for social entitlement programs. Medicare and Medicaid are the result of rising health care costs and federal cost over runs. Obamacare is slated to cost us $2.1 TRILLION over the next 10 years. All of the above are under funded or unfunded.

            So if we started right now today, and spending stayed the same as now, and paid $1M per day toward the national debt it would take 389 years to pay it off. Think about that and then come back and tell me I have no cause for concern.

            Whose going to pay for that? If you want to call me a Doomsday Crier go ahead, but first go study Venezuela and Argentina to see how they got where they are today. If you have time maybe even Cuba.

          • deanna smith

            yes because cuba’s economic situation arouse sole by its being a communist country… and america’s crippling economic sanctions and blockades had nothing to do with it. nor did our military invasions and occupations… and multiple assassination attempts on its political leaders over the years.

          • Leonidcat

            What military invasions or occupations? I really don’t remember in my history studies that we actually invaded Cuba.

          • deanna smith

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish%E2%80%93American_War

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Occupation_of_Cuba

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba%E2%80%93United_States_relations

            yep… the US has NEVER invaded cuba… or imposed crippling economic sanctions on any undeserving countries in the world ever…

            your such a dope.

          • deanna smith

            additionally… where do you think guantanamo is located at?

          • Meteorlady

            Because we had it when Cuba was FREE….. not an invasion.

          • deanna smith

            and that somehow means that it isn’t occupied?

          • Meteorlady

            No – it’s not occupied. Four-hundred years after Columbus, on June 10 1898, U.S. marines landed on the bay during the Spanish-American War. Guantánamo has been under unrivaled U.S. control since the Spanish American war concluded in 1898.

            In 1903 U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt signed an agreement with Cuba’s new government, leasing the bay for 2,000 gold coins per year. The agreement was forced on the new Cuban government, and gave the U.S. navy permission to occupy the bay.

          • deanna smith

            so much for you “minor in history” … shows how much an appeal to authority is worth as argumentation. you point to an agreement that was forced at gunpoint as if it had any legitimacy… reached with a government that no longer exists… to justify our continued occupation of cuba… congratulations.

          • onegoodnathan

            I’m sure the banker high-jacked US govt imperial war machine would honor the same type of ’2000 coin’ agreement from 2 centuries ago. ha

          • Meteorlady

            OMG – I have a minor in History.

          • Leonidcat

            I might also mention that if we confiscated every single penny that the “rich” have it would be nothing toward the DEBT. You people are just using class and jealously to make an argument. Grow up… poor people don’t provide jobs. People like me provide jobs – I employ 122 and it’s is becoming harder and harder to stay in business because of federal, state, county and city taxes and regulations. That’s the problem, not the RICH!

          • Thomas Pearson

            Bingo!

          • Mitchell Davis

            You’re entitled to the right to be wrong, classist, heartless, greedy and to lie, but that doesn’t make anything you say true.

            “You people are just using class and jealously to make an argument. Grow up… poor people don’t provide jobs. People like me provide jobs – I employ 122 and it’s is becoming harder and harder to stay in business because of federal, state, county and city taxes and regulations.” Weird, since taxes have collectively been going down since before ’08. Perhaps you just have a shit business model, and you want something to blame.

            But why am I even doing this: unless you start caring about reality and giving a shit about people, then what’s the point of having an argument involve facts? As they don’t matter to you, is there a reason anyone should bother?

          • deanna smith

            actually taxes have been on the decline since kennedy was in office.

          • TomHagan

            Loniudcat, the question is not that “fair” taxation would be better than what we have. It’s that what we have is unsustainable, and it keeps getting worse and worse, especially for those who once worked for a living. There is nothing many unemployed former workers can do that is economically worthwhile. The “job creators” will hire a robot every time to do a job if it can be done cheaper than by a human worker. Not every job needs to be replaced by a robot (or “automation”). Just enough of them to cause a Global Financial Collapse, as now.

            What has caused that collapse? A failure of the “job creators” to employ enough people so they can buy what the robots could produce if they were not stilled? No. The true “job creators” are those who buy what is produced. But the robot owners make a profit only when their robots are working. Many robots are stilled by the Global Financial Collapse. Their owners will profit only if they are at work.

            How to do that, and retain capitalism? By redistributing income from those who have to those who do not. This can be done by a progressive income tax, taking money from the profits made by the robot owners, the 1%, and then distributing it, via a Citizens Dividend, to the 99% i.e., to those whose purchases can sustain the system. Take from the rich and give to everyone else. This is not just the “flat tax” favored by Steve Forbes – that will not cause income redistribution. To prevent Steve and the other robot owners from getting richer and richer. we must take some of their income and redistribute it to those who are getting poorer.

            This is not just fair, it is sustainable. That’s far more important There is no reason it cannot last forever. But spending capital for 300 years on labor saving devices and returning the profits made by those devices only to their owners is bound eventually to lead to unemployment – both those who once did the work will stay unemployed, and eventually the labor-saving devices themselves will be stilled, through financial collapse, just as we have seen.

            To save capitalism, demonstrated to be the best way to increase human productivity, we gotta get them robots working again!

            On the path we are on now, with profits earned by robots kept by their owners, inequality keeps rising ominously. Once it gets bad enough so people cannot feed their families, they will revolt, with unpredictable consequences, except for one. Rich people – the owners of the robots – will become targets, and they will lose their heads. Which Steve Forbes would doubtless favor less than he favors a flat tax.

            If only Steve and the other oligarchs who own both parties could see that the only way for them to hang on to their heads is to give up more of their income to a graduated income tax.

            This does not necessarily lead to “big government”. The question of whether we should have NIH or colonize Mars (or spend what we do on “security”) is completely separate. Money can be collected and redistributed by a relatively small government agency, as it is done in Alaska. And the national debt. which is totally unnecessary anyway, as Thomas Edison said, can be eliminated by keeping government expenditures in line with what we raise in taxes to pay for them. Meanwhile, no need for a govenrment “social safety net”, no food stamsp or welfare burucrady is needed. Every one gets a “living wage” whether they are at work or not. And we can afford it. All that’s required is a truly progressive income tax. If only Steve Forbes, and the other oligarchs running our society, could see that.

          • deanna smith

            hey tom, great post… here is a letter from thomas jefferson to james madison about progressive taxation that im sure that you’ll find most enlightening.

            it is somewhat long, about twice the length of your post but well worth the time reading… to tempt you however i will quote directly below

            “Another means of silently lessening the
            inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain
            point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical
            progression as they rise.”
            thomas jefferson 1785

          • Meteorlady

            Here’s the deal – I had a business until 12/31/13. I shut my doors. I worked hard for 22 years and grew that business. I also employed 122 people and provided good wages, health care and a safe work environment. I was taxed and regulated out by city, state, county and federal. People believe that most regulations have to do with environmental, but only about 3% are. Most are government reporting, workplace regulations, and regulations that are passed via lobbying efforts so other businesses can make money off of mine.

            When I moved my business from tax and spend Washington State I was able to hire 5 more employees. How do you account for that? Because my TAXES and regulations were less. I finally sat down and thought about why I was working 60 hours a week when the government was taking more and more of a chunk of what I made.

            If you really want to blame someone for something, STOP WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER CRAP! Start studying what the relationship is between the Federal Reserve and the government you elected to represent YOU. It’s the largest and most illegal Ponzi scheme in the world and it’s going on every day, day after day. The government spend more than it makes, the FED loans money they create out of thin air, and we get inflation and higher interest rates.

            The fact is that with Obamacare I could not longer justify staying in business and working. I’m not working local charities that help PEOPLE HELP THEMSELVES and it’s more rewarding than being a slave to the progressive (communism) movement.

          • Meteorlady

            Why do you think the one the richest men in this country favors a flat tax? Do you have any idea what your tax rate would be? You would not like it.

          • Leonidcat

            It’s only too late if you don’t take a stand and get out there and work. Get off the couch. I don’t care if you are Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Conservative, Communist or what! Just get out and work to make your country a better place.

            We can stop corruption if we want. Just don’t vote for those that take any special interest money and stop letting the two parties we know and hate get the upper hand. Think about voting for intelligent, hard working, honest people instead of one from either party.

          • Leonidcat

            OK here’s my story. When Kay Hutchinson retired we had a chance to elect a new person to that seat. I decided that instead of sitting home I would go out and meet the candidates. I met them three different times and asked them questions and got their answers. I listed to their speeches, judged their character and watched a listened.

            Ted Cruz was the result. He was not supported by the Republican Party. They supported a career politician that lied via attack ads. People in my area got enthused about Ted because he was intelligent, hard working and honest. He has said he doesn’t care if he’s re-elected – he cares about what happens to this country and it’s economy and jobs. By working together we over-came the hand picked puppet from the Republican party and got what we wanted… someone to represent us.

            I realize that Ted would not be everyone’s cup of tea because he’s highly outspoken and can be aggressive, but he’s our cup of tea and we love him for what he tried to do. CUT SPENDING…..

          • delores_in_wa_state

            if you hardly vote anymore than you are part of the problem, and really should not complain. Get out there vote out the ones who take bribes. Better yet, stand with the effort I posted above and fight to change the way our government is
            run. A grass root movement put a Jr. Senator in the Whitehouse. All that’s needed are the majority of dissatisfied voters. :-) How long it takes depends on how many intelligent citizens actually believe the propaganda “What can one person do?” or “You can’t change the system” which is insidiously spread by politicians.

          • Thomas Pearson

            You keep overlooking MY complaint that the candidates SUCK and not worth the vote since they are for big government and career in office outlook.

          • Rafael Sedano

            If there are no good candidates then you should run or find one and promote them.. The solution is hard work and commitment to change through our choices or actions.

          • Thomas Pearson

            It is a good comment but……

            In Eastern Washington there are NO democrats in office,not a single one and yet democrats keeps getting the governorship because of TWO counties in Western Washington.Nearly all the rest of the state is Republican and still this is considered a liberal state because of TWO counties,King and Pierce.

            Cheers.

          • cypresslady

            I would love to see all the primaries on one date instead of certain states deciding who will run for office. I believe that there have been some good candidates that have been drummed out by the establishment crowd. We need to get the choice by to all of the people, not just a select few.

          • delores_in_wa_state

            Then vote in the primaries for another person. That also sends a message even if the person has no chance of succeeding (i.e.; greenpeace candidate, socialists, independent, etc) AND write to your legislature and tell them what you want and that you never vote for them again. If enough people do this, they just may consider citizens again.

            Or work for a better America here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/TransparencyUSA/

          • Thomas Pearson

            I refuse to vote for these clods you suggested:

            “greenpeace candidate, socialists”.., and other destructive parties.

            No I will stay out of it as I have been burned too many times over the years.

          • Mike Pappas

            Mshowerhead has hit the proverbial nail on the head. I agree 100% with what you are saying my friend. I’ve felt like this for a long time. But I’m getting tired of repeating my self. Every time I say things like the things you are saying it falls on def ears.

          • Asher Smith

            You should start a party called “Vote of no confidence then.”

          • Stephan Rose

            This was a great comment, but the slam against Randy Newman was made me give it a thumbs up. :D

          • Mitchell Davis

            “If more people stepped up and refused to support this nonsense that continues to be put in front of us, there would be no need for a shutdown.” That requires they vote, though. ‘Stepping up’ in a democracy means that you vote. You can’t just shout ‘I don’t like this.’ from the rooftops and expect something to change. Congressional approval is at an all-time low, and they’ve still managed to ignore more than 80% of the country.

            When you don’t vote, it means that the vote of the guy that does vote counts more, because it is a greater chunk of the total number of votes cast. If you think you can improve a democracy by not participating, you’re an idiot.

          • MShowerhead

            I know it’s common for people to throw around the words ‘stupid’ and ‘idiot’, amongst other insults, when responding to comments on the internet, but I grew up with the value that a man doesn’t insult another man unless he’s looking him in the eye when he does it. Since you can’t, then you shouldn’t, because you don’t know me. If you think that name calling is a constructive way to prove a point, then you’ve added nothing to this conversation.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Oh, it’s not to prove a point, it’s to be insulting. If people were even fucking trying to think, I wouldn’t insult them so. When intellectual dishonesty and immoral horse shit become readily apparent, I give people shit for it.

          • Marc Daniel Rødskov Jensen

            What you are saying here is not true. Voting is the illusion of choice, and by doing it, you delude yourself into thinking that you’ve done your part, but you’ve done less than nothing, by showing your support to a political system, which is entirely bogus. You need to get your own ass out of the seat and actualy DO something about it, Instead of acting like a fool and putting your valuable X on the ballot in favor of one of the two heads of a two headed dragon. It’s the same f**** dragon, and your vote is a joke.

          • Robin Bateman

            Besides Stupidity and Politics you left out MONEY. The only problem with not voting on the lesser of two evils it gives the uninformed a better chance to vote in the bigger of two evils! You can’t get anywhere by not helping those who are trying to pull up the government by their bootstraps by voting for the lesser of two evils. Maybe slowly but surely better things will happen.

          • JustSaying

            “Maybe slowly but surely better things will happen.”

            Oh how I wish that were true; then fixing this mess we’re in would be an easy fix.

            Staying positive is great, but doing the bare minimal and hoping for the best just isn’t going to cut it. Every single person has to get more involved and be more informed than they are now.

            Improvement starts with realizing there is a problem. This two-party system just isn’t working. The selection process doesn’t produce the most qualified candidates; it produces the most cooperative candidates. A lie only has power if you believe it. If someone tells you your vote only maters if you vote for ‘the lesser of two evils’, that’s just more bs party propaganda.

            If you want to generate change, you have to be prepared to be the only one standing. You should only vote for the candidate you think will best serve this country, and if his or her name is not on the ballot, there’s a write in section–use it! It’s not a wasted vote; I’d argue that it’s a vote well spent, because at the very least, it’s a vote you can proudly stand behind.

            If everyone will stop voting out of fear, and have the courage to be that one–the one who believes their voice matters–and take that stand, that’s the only way we’re going to see any real change. Even If I’m in the minority, I have no qualms with writing in a candidates name, because I don’t want to waste my vote by voting for ‘the lesser of two evils’…and maybe, just maybe, there’s enough people who agree with me, so we can really send a message to our politicians.

          • Kevin Kasten

            If only you could also vote to remove a tally from other candidates. ex. I am voting 1 count for (insert ideal politician here) and voting to remove 1 count from Romney and Obama. Maybe then, we could free ourselves from the corporate funded douche bags we are always stuck with otherwise by countering the popularity contest effect.

          • markfive

            You’re going to vote for “no one” and “nothing”? Then you’re the problem. Period. The banks WANT you to not vote, moron.

          • Rafael Sedano

            Mshowerhead im a fan.. can i vote for you to be next pres.. its called the practical party and your are my lead candidate.

          • Jess

            You have a third option in voting: vote for a third party. Not voting is silencing yourself, and politicians won’t regard people who don’t vote, why should they? But they do take demographics on what ages/geographical areas vote, and how.

            Even if you don’t think a third party will win, vote for it anyway! Something like 40% of Americans don’t vote regularly now days, if you all voted for a third party, we COULD actually replace the Republicrats or at least scare the pants off them. (source: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49701718/#.Ul7mR2RAS9g)

          • Clay Davis

            Taking a shit on democracy is excluding independents from CPD-sanctioned presidential election debates without polling a minimum of 15%. Without the support of vast private funds or relative equality in media coverage it will be impossible to obtain those results in opinion polls. This is a self-perpetuating problem that magnifies the consequences of no reasonable opposition. The democratic and republican parties have become so corrupt and polar that maximizing quality of life for the masses and sustainability are no longer key concerns of either group. The primary goals of each party are to tear down the opposition at all costs when not in power and to maintain power when it is obtained. These parties make ideal-driven decisions with blatant disregard for results. There are minimal functional differences.

            The healthcare debate is of such minute significance, in regard to sustained increases in quality of life, compared to banking/financial regulation and federal, specifically executive, authority. If wealth disparity weren’t so severe healthcare would not be so paramount. It’s a distraction, simple as that. While the media has been so focused on healthcare the Sixth Amendment has become null and void, most aspects of the U.S. Banking Act of 1933 (namely Glass-Steagall, intended to dampen the impact of recession, reckless lending practices, and bank failure) have been weakened or completely reversed making former banking superpowers into steroidal über-titans of finance with far too much influence, and federal agencies spy on American citizens essentially unrestricted.

            Your vote means nothing and neither does mine. It is based on lies you are fed by the politicians and their supporters as well as their opponents. Politicians aren’t even held liable for promises they campaign on. Your options are so limited and polar that neither outcome is functionally superior to the other. Our, “democracy” has become completely binary as if the world is black and white, or rather red and blue. The world is not red and blue and until the people come to that realization and act upon it, this joke of a democratic system will continue to spiral downward into oblivion.

          • gino

            CHEERING>>> APPLAUDING>>>> …like I have been saying, the only fix, outside of death to the republic, is if a band of grass roots Americans take the fight to the government, by force and with the support of another government who is at their end with American government corruption. The word is to stand up and literally fight the corrupt federal government. Anyone recall this, “…And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the
            protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our
            Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”

            JUST DECLARE INDEPENDENCE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and do not comply with the IRS, but you can only do it with a band of men who are backed by another power. …that is how it was first done — time to do it again.

          • Conservative NOT Racist

            And you are apparently unaware of two very important facts. The first is this: We don’t live in a democracy. We live in a representative republic, yet none of the left seem to understand that. The second is that the founding fathers constructed our constitution and the laws governing our government for EXACTLY the problems we have today. To keep petty little tin plated dictators like Barry from a complete takeover of this nation. Too bad you failed your history and government classes, or you’d know this.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Another name for a Democratic Republic is a Representative Democracy – our government is a type of democracy.

            “The second is that the founding fathers constructed our constitution and the laws governing our government for EXACTLY the problems we have today.” Are you… Serious?

            ” To keep petty little tin plated dictators like Barry from a complete takeover of this nation.” Who? Obama? You do understand that he was elected the same way every other president was, and that he’s in his last term, right? Somehow he’s going to make the legislature allow him to have more terms? The Republicans in congress have shut down the government over a health care initiative that they invented, but they hate it because Obama liked it. They hate him so much, they would rather the government not exist than him be president. Do you really think that congress is going to re-write the term limit for this guy? You’d be insane to think that.

          • Conservative NOT Racist

            You really are an idiot, aren’t you? Forget it. I’m done arguing with a retard who is trying very hard to be a moron and failing miserably in it. Stop breathing. You’re increasing your carbon footprint and I doubt you have a job to pay the tax your ahole buddy wants to put on it.

          • Mitchell Davis

            What a cogent and well thought-out response! Thanks for the game of pigeon chess, prat.

          • Mitchell Davis

            I this is sufficiently simple for your tweaker-brain to understand:

            https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/s720x720/1381675_721629257851815_525744241_n.jpg

          • Don’t be a Dick Morris

            OR, If you’re still in denial that he’s a Marxist revolutionary, working with Jihadists to attack Western interests, and Israel, like his terrorist fried Bill Ayers, AND are just a useful idiot who thinks he really cares about you. Just look at what Democrats support by funding Al Queada in Lybia, and Syria, AND the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, AND Hamas in Gaza.
            They’re supportive of cutting your hands off
            They have no separation of church and state, Sharia is a political system, as much as a religion
            They believe killing Jew, Christians, and all infedels should be taught in school
            They treat their women like animals, and slaves
            They oppose Multiculturalism while destroying Europe with Multiculturalism, and oppressing everyone at home.
            They kill homosexuals, and pretty much everyone else too.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Are you… High? Stupid? A really, really, really pathetic troll? What?

          • Teresa

            So they are just wannabe Tea Party material?

          • JustSaying

            Okay, I have to admit, I enjoyed this post…but I disagree with just about everything you have said and even more so with the way you said it. You have been arrogant, closed-minded, and offensive, and nobody in this discussion is ‘hearing’ you or taking you seriously.

          • JustSaying

            You really need to spend a little more time reading fact base news articles and conducting your own research and spend a little less time listening to a paid spokesman spin it for you.

          • Mitchell Davis

            You would say that to the guy who digs through neurological and linguistic research articles for a living. *snore*

          • txsaint

            We know this. But when you speak of the President as a “tin plated dictator,” you show that you clearly took drama over history as an elective.

          • Conservative NOT Racist

            Actually, no. But that’s ok. He acts like one, so I called him one. He’s not got quite the power that he wants yet, so in that sense you would be technically correct. Unlike that idiot Mitchell Davis who apparently is too stupid to understand the constitution, the law, or what this nation was founded upon.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Yes, spew insults and vagueness, because that really demonstrates you know something. >_>

          • JustSaying

            PLEASE STOP POSTING

          • Chris Wieber

            “Dictator”

          • Teresa

            Apparently you failed you Government AND Social Studies class. There are actually Amendments to the Constitution that say ALL our bills SHALL be paid-no exception, no excuse (for the tea partiers out there). There is also an Amendment that says there is NO Religious test for being President (for the tea partiers out there). So even if Obama WAS Muslim, it’s not a reason to keep him, Constitutionally, from being President. The President was born in Hawaii, which, last time I looked, IS part of the USA. He was born to an American Citizen, which, even if he had been born on Mars, would STILL make him an American Citizen (for the tea partiers out there). I studied law, and we were required, in order to pass the class, to study the Constitution. Please show me where Obama has done ANYTHING that was unconstitutional. Please show me where he has done ANYTHING that has broken ANY law on the books. I really don’t care whether you like him or not, but please show me, don’t just put Fox News crap on here. There are enough legitimate, LEGAL sites to research for the truth. So instead of just slamming “Barry”, please show your justification. Yes, we are a Democratically elected Representative Republic. You ARE (half) correct there. The Dictators are the Tea Party, who are holding our Government and the American people hostage, illegally, according to the Constitution! They are actually violating FEDERAL law and are being Seditious. The Tea Party wants to violate so many laws to get what they want, and don’t seem to CARE that they lost, repeatedly, and now look like bratty children who are having a temper tantrum because they didn’t get their way. America doesn’t negotiate with terrorists. REAGAN said that. Not even Tea Party terrorists.

          • Conservative NOT Racist

            You’re too stupid to debate with. I never mentioned the asshole being a muzzie or not, you did. I never said a word about him being not American, YOU did. It appears that assholes like you can spout whatever bullshit they want, but anyone who disagrees with YOU is obviously wrong. Not in this case idiot. Now STFU, you’re too ignorant to participate in adult conversations. Much like every other retarded liberal.

          • Teresa

            Temper, temper! My aren’t we touchy! So you cannot show us on a legitimate site what you are saying? That seems to be the case when people ignore the question and go straight to the ugliness. I didn’t call you ANY names, but apparently, your mother brought you up WAY differently than mine did. I asked for legitimate PROOF of what you said. I STILL haven’t gotten that. Apparently all you can do is name call (ie tin plated dictator, muzzie, stupid, retarded liberal, idiot) in lieu of offering anything substantial to the conversation. Put your money where your mouth is, big talker, or STFU! See, my Mom raised me with manners, but she didn’t raise any fools. BTW, in a debate, facts are exchanged, so apparently it isn’t ME who is …..

          • falcngnzx2

            I am a liberal and Teresa is the hottest babe I have ever seen…

          • JustSaying

            Down-voting everything Conservative NOT Racist says because 1) it’s all garbage 2) I don’t think you understand what conservatism is and 3) you probably are a racist.

          • falcngnzx2

            Obama’s FATHER was NOT or NEVER became an American Citizen, so Obama is DISQUALIFIED!!!

          • Mitchell Davis

            So you plan on re-writing current law to make Obama not a citizen after the fact?

            You’re not asking me to pretend you’re not racist, are you?

          • A.j. Zaethe

            No, many of our forefathers had predicted the problems today. Many had worked against others to stop the government from forming the way it did. Due to the corrupted of then attacking the sensible, we are exactly where the sensible had predicted America would be if it continued the way the majority wanted it to become.

          • Conservative NOT Racist

            You’re lack of actual knowledge of history is……to be expected. And as usual, is appalling in it’s completeness. Go back and try again little zombie sheep. How’s that kool-aid tasting lately? Dumbass.

          • Asher Smith

            Doing nothing and not voting are different.

          • Seth Derrick

            “That type of thinking is exactly what lead to the shutdown. If that’s not taking a shit on democracy, I don’t know what is.”

            Actually, endlessly voting for the Lesser of Two Evils™, mostly by progressives, is what’s got us to this point. The “center” has shifted 20 degrees to the right in the past 30 years thanks to the DNC wing of the Democratic Party. So now you have a Democratic president expanding wars of choice, drone killing children, creating assassination lists, expanding Patriot Act, and pushing through a law that funnels money into private insurance companies. “Lesser of two evils”, not people refusing to lend credence to the circus, is what has brought us to where we are.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Are you… Kidding? Daft?

          • Seth Derrick

            I am neither. So, present an argument that I’m wrong. And if you want to be taken seriously you’d be well advised to turn down the ad hominems and turn up the logic and the facts. I made a series of assertions. Refute them with logic and facts. Blasting people as prats and idiots and daft isn’t doing much for your side of the debate.

            Has there or has there not been a 30+ year shift of the center towards the right? Has there or has there not been a relatively flat voter participation rate over that same time? What evidence do you have to support the notion that more progressives than conservatives are avoiding the voting booth? Because in order for your argument to carry water, that it is a lack of voter participation that can be blamed for the state having been taken over by corporatists and financiers would be if liberals and progressives were absent in greater numbers than conservatives.

            Not participating in the pageantry of the state is exactly like not going to Mass. I don’t care if only shitty, powermad sociopaths are running either the state or the church. I don’t see showing up and participating as a valid way of defeating those institutions. I see avoiding them at all costs and not providing a shred of validity to be a far more effective and morally defensible method.

          • Mitchell Davis

            First, learn the difference between an ad hominem and an insult, dumbass.

            So, you think that not voting will somehow make a difference in a system where laws are reformed by people that vote and people that are voted in? How do you not understand that not participating in the system gives you no power in the system, not more?

            The nation has been shifting more to the left (socially) over the past century. The last 30 years are no different.

            “Because in order for your argument to carry water, that it is a lack of voter participation that can be blamed for the state having been taken over by corporatists and financiers would be if liberals and progressives were absent in greater numbers than conservatives.”

            No, in order for my argument to carry water, it must be true. Not voting means you don’t get a voice in a democracy. Voting means you do get a voice. That voice can be trumped, or ignored, but it actually exists at some level when you vote. If every one of you non-participating dolts actually voted then we’d have had far fewer idiotic politicians. A nation either collectively chooses better and better politicians with time, or worse and worse politicians.

            Obviously, money needs to be taken out of politics as it currently functions as a form of voting that completely cheats the system. If you think so too, vote for the candidates that agree with that position, OR IT WILL NEVER CHANGE. We have a system where political revolutions can start anywhere, but only have any wieght if there are enough voters that agree with whatever position to pick laws and politicians that agree with the position.

            We need money out of politics, we need to replace the EC with a FPTP voting system, we need to use the shortest split-line method so we can actually eliminate gerrymandering, no shit. But opting out of the system of change prevents you from changing the system. If you care about fixing the system, you can’t throw it out the window- you have to swap out the bad parts and eliminate redundancies.

          • Teresa

            Actually Gerrymandering has had more of an effect on who is or is not voted in than whatever you are suggesting.

          • Seth Derrick

            Teresa, the only thing I suggested was that my non-participation in the voting process was not an act of petulance or naivete. If anyone wants to have a rational conversation about the tenets of voluntaryism I’d be happy to have that conversation but that’s outside the scope of what I was initially responding to. That said, I agree with you that gerrymandering is a huge problematic part of the process but I ask you this: Who is doing the gerrymandering? Elected members of the legislature! So as long as both major parties see a benefit in gerrymandering (and they do) the likelihood of it being done away with via some legislative act is about nil. Power doesn’t work that way. Power is self-interested and will never work towards its own abbreviation.

          • Mitchell Davis

            “Teresa, the only thing I suggested was that my non-participation in the voting process was not an act of petulance or naivete.” Right! Ignorance is also an option.

          • deanna smith

            precisely… i do not want to vote between republican-wanna-be’s and batshit crazy people…

          • JustSaying

            If MShowerhead chooses not to vote or to vote for someone other than the official nominees of the Republican or Democratic parties, that’s not sh*ting on democracy, it’s upholding it. MShowerhead is letting his (or her) voice be heard instead of voting for whatever bs candidates this failing two-party system is producing.

          • Leonidcat

            Someone steps up and earns your vote? Here’s the deal. We have a two party system because of the media and because of special interests and banks. We have over 20 registered parties in this country, about 5 of which are pretty viable. Not voting is giving up a privilege provided to very few people in this world. The two parties hand pick who they want us to vote for and they spend BILLIONS getting that person elected via ad campaigns and telling us anything to get elected.

            So what I did, is get out and meet the candidates BEFORE the primaries. I asked questions, listened to their responses and then went out and worked to get my person elected. It actually worked. My person was not supported by their own party. Their party supported a career politician that could only run attack ads against my person. We did research and found that those ads were false. That made us work harder for our candidate and guess what? He won the primary and went on to become our senator and we love him. He is hard working, intelligent and does what we wanted him to do and we are proud of him.

            It doesn’t take that much time to get involved…. you have forever to live with not voting and getting people like we have today. McCain, Pelosi, Reid, McConnell, Waters, etc. These people are unfit to lead and if people would get involved in primaries and choose their candidate intelligently, then maybe we can get them out.

          • mikeinportc

            Voting for the lesser evil is still voting for an evil.

          • Partay

            I applaud you right NOT to vote. The guilt trip that is played on those who don’t vote is just a ploy to get uniformed voters in the mix. I’ve heard it many times in conversations both liberal and conservative, it’s usually followed by a lengthy dissertation about who or what they should be voting for. Uninformed voting is like choosing from a chocolate assortment, you have no clue what you’re going to get, you may love it, like it, hate it, or spit it out in disgust AFTER the choice has been made. The question “Did you vote?” should never be asked of anyone. Voting, or not voting, is a right and a choice in a free democratic society, not an “I voted” medal to be earned. When someone is going to vote, my hope is that they’ve informed themselves, no matter what they think their belief system may be. (Basic economics might be a great place to start) I’ve heard it said that “If you don’t vote, you’re part of the problem”, I believe if you vote for something you have no clue about, you’re part of the problem.

            Opting out when someone is informed doesn’t really help much either. A non vote isn’t really a vote, even if you’re disgusted with the process as a whole, it really only serves those who eventually win. Vote what you really believe and are informed about, even if it’s the person or idea least likely to win. If one doesn’t believe in a particular person or thing don’t tick the box, just make sure you can sleep at night with the choices you make.

          • Teresa

            While I agree, in part, I do believe every eligible person should vote. BUT having said that, I also feel it is incumbent on the person voting to educate themselves before they actually enter a voting booth. I personally don’t care WHO people vote for-that is why we have the privacy of a voting booth, I DO care if you don’t vote and then try to demonize me because I do, or try to demonize the person elected. If you don’t vote, you have no RIGHT to complain about who actually made it into office. Please vote your INFORMED conscience. It is none of MY business WHO you vote for.

          • GFCinthatorder

            While I agree with you that we all need to get off our duffs and do something….I will also say you are missing the real foundation here. If you build your house on sand to what avail is that? We have to (individually) return to our foundation of Faith by repenting of the great many sins we have allowed into our lives and then and only then can we begin to fight the battles that lieahead of us. If we are strong individually then we will come together as a power of unity that no man can mess with. Maybe then there will be some guidance, some wisdom, some Light that will lead us out of the darkness. All of these issues discussed are because WE allowed them to happen in the first place. WE allowed God to be thrown under the bus and what was in the closet to become our ruler. KNOW YOUR ENEMY first. If you don’t know who you’re fighting you will never win. It is going to get worse before we return to God and realize our sins is what got US here in the first place. I totally agree with the banks and money being the root of all evil and how do you fight evil? Send out the weakest ones to do your battle? We can’t even call EVIL for what it is let alone recognize it anymore. Why is that? The closet is ruling our lives and telling US what to do. And don’t look for any serios answers from our churches either. What America is going through right now is only a microcosm of what the Catholic Church is going through. “When you see corruption in the high places, know that the end times is near”. Our leaders have failed US and failed to lead. Now it is up to US to reclaim what we believe in.
            GFCandinthatorder.wordpress.com

          • MShowerhead

            I am not missing anything, but don’t talk oranges in a conversation about apples. America, being founded by people who were looking for a place to practice religion freely, makes it clear that there’s a separation between church and state. If you want to talk about God, you do it in your church, church groups, or conversations with fellow believers. Understand, your beliefs are your beliefs and, while you’re entitled to them and I won’t judge you for having them, you have no right to sling these ideas around like they are 1) the absolute truth and 2) everybody should be agreeing with you. I’ve read your book and I’ve read Harry Potter. Some people speak in gospel, others speak in Klingon.

            And I have no sympathy for the trials and tribulations of the Catholic Church, a business (yes, a business) with more power and money than any other business in the world. They have the money to cure hunger. Their leaders have the ability to inspire, yet they choose to… well, you’ve read the news.

            The definition of faith is ‘a strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.’ You can read that again if you’d like. Remember, the world use to be flat.

            Again, no judgement for having your faith…. the world is messed up and everybody needs something to keep them going. Just keep church talk in church, because it doesn’t solve real world problems.

          • GFCinthatorder

            You say you are not missing anything! Yet you have no foundation at.all, nothing to base you principles on, nothing to base your morality on other than your intellectual thoughts. And how did you come by these thoughts? A big bang? Self? So if you do not believe in a Gold then you must see yourself as a god? Or temporal deity of some sort? I am not ridiculing you here I want you to answer the questions honestly. If you don’t know then say you don’t know.
            I hear anger in your tone. You sau I have no right to speak in my religious way? Excuse me but by Constitution I have as. Much right as you do to speak my mind as well as you do. Would you just love it if we all dissapeared and went away? Well that will never happen. I am not slinging anything. It is not my book you say you have read. Though parts of the good Book may or may not have been changed it still serves as more of an Historical documentation (trying to be destroyed by so many disbelievers) of so much information including the Life death and Ressurection of Christ. I am not trying to convince you of anything. Your theories and ideas have nothing to back them up. It is far easier to believe and yes have Faith in what Christ teaches us than what you do. You are a lousy gambler at that. IF I’m wrong no biggie, if you are well you lose for an eternity. If I pray for you it is not to “make me feel good”, you just don’t have the eyes to see what Christians believe in nor do you want the Truth. Truth is not something can really fathom. TRUTH AND Faith go hand in hand. There are more historical evidence to believe in my God than what you believe in. See that’s Truth that you will never see because you are not searching for the Truth. BLAME GAME. How can one have a conversation, intelligent one, with anyone who will not honestly Searching for Truth. It can’t happen. Yeah the gun is bad cause it kills people right? No, man is of fallen nature and man pulls the trigger. Is that Gods fault? Because he created man with a free will that separates us from the animals? Amusing thought. Yes you can blame much on the churches, they are of fallen nature too and have failed to lead there flocks, is that God’s fault or mans? Oh right you don’t believe in God. Well then I think you cannot choose between what is good and what isn’t? Ultimately you can’t. Yes we must be just a higher form of animals! That’s the most ridiculous thought ever. Even true scientist searching for the truth would tell you ddifferent. You are completely wrong that religion has no answer. Love (which is not what you can understand in your way of thinking) is the ultimate answer. Even if that love puts me on a cross to die for my brother. Maybe it is a war, suffering or sharing but never easy. It is a choice. A free will choice made by an individual to give of himself in any particular area for the sake of what is right.
            Be at peace.

          • Mitchell Davis

            How is ‘X person said this is good, so it’s good’ in any way superior to actually trying to discern what is good?

            Anywho, your claims of evidence don’t count as evidence. If you have evidence, present it. Not only will you win every rational person on the planet over to your religion, but you’ll get a Nobel Prize.

          • GFCinthatorder

            Top Ten Scientific Explantions of Miracle of Sun at Fatima (Catholic Caucus)
            Creative Minority Report ^ | 10/14/2009 | Matthew Archbold
            Posted on Wed Oct 14 2009 15:22:56 GMT-1000 (HST) by markomalley

            The Miracle of the Dancing Sun at Fatima which was seen by 70,000 people on October 13th, 1917 has been written about often. But many people continually attempt to explain away the vision of the sun dancing in the sky at a foretold time.

            Avelino de Almeida, wrote articles for O Século, Portugal’s most widely-circulated and influential newspaper, which was pro-government and anti-clerical at the time. Almeida’s previous articles had been to satirize the previously reported events at Fatima but here’s what he wrote that day:

            “Before the astonished eyes of the crowd, whose aspect was biblical as they stood bare-headed, eagerly searching the sky, the sun trembled, made sudden incredible movements outside all cosmic laws — the sun ‘danced’ according to the typical expression of the people.”
            But secularists have amassed an enormous amount of explanations as to why we should not believe our own eyes. Here are the astounding reasons they’ve amassed so we should believe nothing at all special happened in Portugal that great day.

            1. Stratospheric Dust. Steuart Campbell, writing for the 1989 edition of Journal of Meteorology, postulated that a cloud of stratospheric dust changed the appearance of the sun on 13 October, making it easy to look at, and causing it to appear yellow, blue, and violet and to spin. In support of his hypothesis, Mr. Campbell reports that a blue and reddened sun was reported in China as documented in 1983.

            2. ESP! (Always my favorite) Author Lisa Schwebel claims that the event was a supernatural (but non-miraculous) extra-sensory phenomenon. Schwebel notes that the solar phenomenon reported at Fátima is not unique – there have been several reported cases of high pitched religious gatherings culminating in the sudden and mysterious appearance of lights in the sky.

            3. Mock-Sun. Didn’t even know this existed but it’s worth a listen. Joe Nickell, a skeptic and investigator of paranormal phenomena, claims that the position of the phenomenon, as described by the various witnesses, is at the wrong azimuth and elevation to have been the sun. He suggests the cause may have been a sundog. Sometimes referred to as a parhelion or “mock sun”, a sundog is an atmospheric optical phenomenon associated with the reflection/refraction of sunlight by the numerous small ice crystals that make up cirrus or cirrostratus clouds. A sundog is, however, a stationary phenomenon, and would not explain the reported appearance of the “dancing sun”. So Nickell further suggests an explanation for this phenomena may lie in temporary retinal distortion, caused by staring at the intense light and/or the effect of darting the eyes to and fro so as to avoid completely fixed gazing (thus combining image, afterimage and movement). So the people shook their heads and though a mock-sun was dancing. All 70,000? Prety ridiculous, huh?

            4. Dust cloud! Paul Simons, in an article entitled “Weather Secrets of Miracle at Fatima”, states that he believes it possible that some of the optical effects at Fatima may have been caused by a cloud of dust from the Sahara.

            5. Ye ol mass hallucination theory. Author Kevin McClure claims that the crowd at Cova da Iria may have been expecting to see signs in the sun, as similar phenomena had been reported in the weeks leading up to the miracle. On this basis he believes that the crowd saw what it wanted to see. (Yeah because that happens all the time.) But McClure’s account fails to explain similar reports of people miles away, who by their own testimony were not even thinking of the event at the time, or the sudden drying of people’s sodden, rain-soaked clothes.

            6. UFO! It has been argued that the Fatima phenomenon was an alien craft. Of course, either that craft happened to come on the day that the three little children said a miracle would occur. Or the apparitions were all the works of little green men. This all sounds a lot more real than the Church’s explanation.

            7. Solar Storm. A gigantic coronal mass ejection (CME) occurred. Every eleven years our sun goes through a period of solar storms and these storms have been with us for
            centuries of recorded history. Solar flares emit high-speed particles that
            cause the Northern Lights or Aurora Borealis. Well that explains it all right there. Because we all know the Northern Lights look exactly like the Sun dancing. Or not.

            8. Peer pressure. Among a uniform people sharing a particular religious belief, it is very easy for individuals to feel social pressure to conform to whatever is seen as a part of “how things should be”, for “true believers”. 70,000 people. That’s pretty strong peer pressure especially for the people who saw it 20 miles away.

            9. Not everyone saw it. Astronomers noticed no dancing in the sky from all over the world. The dancing sun was a regional event thus disproving it. A quick question would be the fact that it was a regional event should prove that something out of the ordinary happened. If it happened worldwide it would be written off as simply an astronomical event because the whole world saw it.

            10. An Eclipse. These fellas don’t mind contradicting themselves. This would be a very very regional eclipse. Wouldn’t astronomers have noted the eclipse?

            Bonus Reason:
            11. Evolution. This is sadly from Institute of Physics, Catholic Univeristy of Louvain. Evolution has provided us with the infamous “zoom and loom effect”. It tends to appear when the brain is confronted with the two-dimensional retinal image of an object thatis situated at some unknown distance. The brain will then consider the possibility that it could come closer, by performing an illusory mental zoom, where the apparent size of the object isprogressively increased. This results from the fact that evolution preserved the tendency to take into account the possibility of a dangerous approach: a rapid evasive action could bebeneficial for survival. When the “idea” of an approach does not lead to any real danger, the perceived object returns to its normal place. Thus the dancing sun. Amazing. 70,000 people thought the Sun was a predator coming to eat them. When they realized the Sun had no teeth they “zoomed and loomed” it back to where it belonged. That might just be my favorite one.

            So after listening to these level-headed scientists(?) explain away Fatima hasn’t it convinced you to join the Richard Dawkins fan club? Me neither

          • Mitchell Davis

            *Yawn* So you have a case of mass-delusion- big deal. If you accept that one is real (which would be stupid, considering that most people when interviewed seem to have seen remarkably different things at different times), then to be fair you must accept all others- but, if you accept all others, then you’re left with multiple mutually exclusive religions being true.

            Until you have evidence that proves these sightings are accurately retold (not that that’s possible with conflicting mutually exclusive sightings), I have no more reason to believe in them than I do in fairies.

            Also, scientists =/= skeptics =/= secularists =/= atheists, you bloody moron.

            Evidence or GTFO. It’s really that simple.

          • GFCinthatorder

            Being this is the anniversary of The Miracle of the Sun I want to say. For those who are truly searching for the Truth it is all about and around you for the finding. For the rest of you no Miracle of anything will change the way you are now. The Truth is you are not searching for any truth just excuses to live your lives the way you want too. You are truly blind and I pity you. Historybis full of miracles that you all can continue to try and destroy (why not the Church has down the same) and hide under some bushel basket or kill the messenger and somehow the message will go away. But what you do not recognize is the Spirit of God that is present whether you, the Church, or anyone else trys and destroys it. I am not a label for you to kick around (you can if you like) but a Faith grounded in the teachings of Christ that no church, man or other can take away. History is also filled with fools such as you. Self gods. I am a Fool for Christ! You are a lousy gambler as well!

          • Mitchell Davis
          • GFCinthatorder

            Peer review. Yeah that about sums it up for you. All the peers in the world are not gonna pass one judgement where it really counts. Think I care about that one? You sir are a gambler and a lousy one at that! All your education in the world has given you this form of intelligence? Here is a question for you.What makes man different than any animal? Bet you can’t even answer that one without falling into some fit? After the way you so easily sweep the last one under the carpet with a wishy washy answer. What’s Wong with you? Didn’t witness it for yourself? Everybody is a liar but you and your great knowledge? 70,000 people from all walks of life including ignorant educated fools such as yourself and you just give such an overwhelmingly wishy washy answer.

          • Mitchell Davis

            “All the peers in the world are not gonna pass one judgement where it really counts.” Holy crap, you don’t even know what the peer review process is, do you?

            “What makes man different than any animal?” You mean any /other/ animal, right? Apart from our differing anatomies? Civilization, culture.

            “Everybody is a liar but you and your great knowledge?” What I’m talking about is in the same vein as 2+2=4. I can lie, and say that 2+2=6, but my lying about the fact does not change that fact in any way, shape or form. If you have empirical, objective evidence for the existence of a deity then provide it- even if someone lies about it, that does not matter, because you will have demonstrated the fact.

            I find it hard to believe you’re having trouble with the concept of evidence. I’ll use a simplified demonstration for further assistance:

            You say you own a dog. I ask for proof. Now all you have to do is show me the dog.

            Let’s take it up a level.

            You say you own a dog that can grant wishes. I ask for proof. What have to do is make a very clear and non-vague wish in some recorded manner (for authentication), and then have the wish granted, and then not just correlate, but also find a causative link between the fulfillment of the wish and the dog, thereby demonstrating the dog’s ability to do that.

            Do you get it? I don’t have to keep babying you? Fantastic.

          • GFCinthatorder

            Just what I expected from your intelligence. Your answer gives you away. “You mean any other animal” Yes you would have to classify it that way because you and all you white papers in the world cannot explain what a soul is. The part which makes us different than any other animal. The part which all of your white papered allies would have us believe does not exist. The one thing that God gave man that makes us different than all of the other animals. Why? Because HE said so. And all the crap you would “theorize” us to believe in holds much less weight and validity than what I have as written history. Wouldn’t it be so nice just to go away. You cannot believe man has a soul, that would bear witness to a higher Deity than yourself. Not possible for an educated fool. You and your theories (which is not in any way math at all regardless what you say or write) keep changing and evolving to fit every new finding. Yet every new finding actually makes fools of you. Evolution, big bangs center of the universe and so on….. You teach it as if it were fact and it is not yet it is taught that way. Fools. And then you discover something new and your led off in another twist of arrogance searching for the one thing you will never find, that there really isn’t a God. Fools. Not an “open mind” at all like so many claim. Yeah you made some discoveries, that make fools out of your previous theories, but do you get it? No you have to keep trying to prove there is no God. That IS your destiny. Such a shame. You have learnt nothing at all from history. You have a “peer Review process” big deal. What you think I know or doesn’t matters not to me. What a waste of the few years you have hear on earth, and then what? You’re gone? Like I said that is a lousy gamble for anyone with “intelligence”.

          • MShowerhead

            I didn’t say that I don’t believe in God, so your assessment on my lack of foundation is completely wrong. My point is that conversations about religion have no place in conversations about government. That’s why there’s a separation between church and state. Talk about politics in political conversations and keep religion in religious conversations.

          • GFCinthatorder

            While I hear what you are saying I don’t agree with you. I am not forcing my beliefs on you or anyone else. I am simply living as one who has a different perspective than you. You are a forceful voice and lay claim to what you believe in based on what you see as fact. I disagree with your “facts” as theory and it certainly is not comparable to math at all. You can’t throw out history and historical documents as irrellivant because of your beliefs and what you want to believe in based on theories and science of probables.

          • Mitchell Davis
          • LaVerne Haslett

            Rather it is the only answer to world problems
            .

          • Mitchell Davis

            Yeah, but Trekkies didn’t cause the holocaust. (Or believe Vulcans actually exist.)

          • Teresa

            I agree. I saw a meme on Facebook that pretty much sums it up-Religion is like a penis. It’s fine that you have one, just don’t whip it out in public or try to force it on me or my children.

          • Teresa

            The Founding Fathers threw God under the bus (wagon?). There is NO mention AT ALL of God in the Constitution. The founding fathers even wrote letters SPELLING OUT that our country was NOT founded on religion. You need to go back and study History. Religion was FORCED on people in the past, who left and founded this country. It was specifically founded to KEEP religion from being forced on ANYONE. There were these things called the Crusades and the Inquisition that kind of pissed people off. Then there is the religious war between the Irish and the British that has been going on for a VERY long time. IF you are truly a Patriot, and not just mouthing the word, you MUST obey the Constitution, which gives you the right to worship ANY way you want to, but it ALSO gives other people the SAME rights. Religious freedom means just that-you are free to be religious OR NOT! And if you are a Bible reading Patriot, your Bible says “Render unto Ceasar that which belongs to Ceasar.” That means, worship the way God tells you in the Bible, but obey ALL the laws where you live. Being a practicing Christian doesn’t mean you can’t also be a Patriot, but being a Patriot doesn’t mean you have to be a practicing Christian. As for the end times-the Bible says we have to have the AntiChrist first, then 1000 years of peace. It also says No man knows God’s time. So exactly where are you getting these “End Time” predictions from? BTW, I agree that we haven’t had leaders or even Statesmen. All we have now are Divas. I guess we get what the big corporations paid for!

          • Asher Smith

            Do you have ideas for solutions?

          • Sokr8ez

            Stop participating in a corrupt system! Stop voting for the “lesser of two evils” which creates more evil. Democrats and Republicans need to lose their suffrage for 20 years as consequence for taking our freedoms and property.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Stop participating and then the people that do participate have all the power.

            It’s not fucking rocket science.

          • Sokr8ez

            No, you fucking cunt. Removing your participation from a corrupt system protects you from being responsible for the evil it creates. Give the system NOTHING! No taxes. It is being done by millions. No allegiance. Nothing. You are to blame if you participate!

          • Mitchell Davis

            You are to blame if you are trying to fix the system? Really?

            Let me get this shit straight: you’re benefiting from a society that has produced stable enough socioeconomic conditions that you can have a job, purchase products, travel on roads, utilize the internet, consume safe water and food and drugs, and you do not think you are participating? You benefit from the system yourself; not trying to fix it while reaping it’s benefits is hypocritical and part of the problem. If you do not wish to fix it, then you are an accessory to the problem. There is no way to fix it, other than voting or running for office. Not liking that will not change the circumstances.

          • Sokr8ez

            It is called nullification. The majority do not support the system. The system takes too much and gives too little.

          • Asher Smith

            By solution I meant alternative.

          • MShowerhead

            Absolutely, Asher, and I appreciate your interest in having a constructive conversation!

            It involves listening and logic. Take the fiscal platform from the Republicans, the human rights and religious-free platform from the Democrats, a portion of the international stance from the Libertarians, and the rest comes from logic. They aren’t likely to be perfect or realistic, but that’s okay… we just need to change the way that we view the system. Even the most basic apps need to be updated for efficiency, and we’ve reached that point with 1) the candidates that we have to choose from and the fundraising and hidden agendas that viable candidates need to compete against, 2) the entitlements/term length/expectations from our elected officials, 3) our two party system, 4) our reliance on the media for information, 5) concentrating on everything other than the necessary issues. IE: Our economy is broken, the baby boomers are reaching advanced ages and the youth isn’t adequately prepared or able to work at a rate relative to the population. Yet somehow, gay marriage is still a conversation, even though the argument against it is a blatant violation of church and state. There’s no place in government for backwards thinking and those who take part in counterproductivity should be immediately replaced. One Nation, One Mission: Progress.

            Unfortunately, I probably lost a lot of people at ‘listening’ (check out my initial post… the one full of ‘rabbles’). I don’t see anything productive coming out of me platforming, and I detest back and forth banter with trolls.

            I would love to make a difference and, to use one of my favorite quotes, ‘be the change that I want to see in the world.’ The problem is that I’m not willing to play politics, so financial backing is tough, and… to play off a previous President… “I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I did like it. I did inhale and I frequently tried it again.”

            Stay thirsty, my friends.

          • Teresa

            I have a problem with number 4. In the information age, “Ignorance is a Choice” is my mantra. Anyone who gets all their “news” from the media is choosing to be swayed by corporately owned news slanted by the corporation that owns it. I think we are seeing only bullys elected-we no longer have Statesmen who know how to compromise. We have bullies who have temper tantrums when they don’t get their way. We have Divas. America is no longer represented. Only tiny portions of America has any representation at all. I am old enough to remember Statesmen who were able to get things done for the good of America, NOT for corporations.

          • Mitchell Davis

            The problem with this is that the Republicans are no more fiscally responsible than the Democrats- they simply want different to conserve different parts of the government.

            Here’s what we need, first and foremost: total overhaul of our election system, replacing it with a FPP system, and using the Shortest Split-Line method to (almost) eliminate the existence of gerrymandering. Crush Citizen’s united like a bug, and remove as much money as humanly possible from our election system- no more lobbyists, etc.

            We also need to take after the Fins and fix our educational system (I don’t know how NCLBH still exists after this long), nationalizing the educational system, but also taking power from school administrators and giving it back to the teachers, and paying teachers better. We might also need to switch to a parliamentary system.

            We MUST downsize our military. If we decided to fight with the next five strongest military powers in the world we would still win. Money should be moved from bombers and ground forces into VA and CIA/FBI coffers, and most of the rest should be used to pay back our debts, or go to other programs.

            Realistically, there is no long-term option for SS in the united states outside of a nationalized healthcare system. We have to grow up and join the EU, Canada, Australia, etc. in having a health care system that makes sense. We must make sure mental healthcare is as well understood and sympathized with as ‘normal’ healthcare. We’re also a hotbed of innovation for healthcare worldwide, and we have to prevent that from evaporating.

            We have to find a way to stop the undernourishment and food insecurity that affects at least 17% of Americans. We have to find a sensible and ethical way of eliminating poverty in this country- which could be at least partially accomplished by the aforementioned reduction in military spending.

          • deanna smith

            hope you have fun in your ayn rand fantasy land…

          • Rodney Johnson

            I to have done the vote for the Lesser. Why? Because the talk show hosts
            Which is as much at fault as any one else. They tell you that person
            has not got a chance you have to vote for the lesser to keep mister evil
            out. Most cases Lesser and Mr Evil lives and dresses out of the same
            closet. I have never voted in the primaries for the same person I am
            stuck voting for in the main election. That will not ever happen again.
            It will not be my fault either, that the nation goes to hell. This is
            the lie they try to toss on you. If every person in this nation voted
            their convictions and stopped listening to those that are part of the
            agenda to get you to vote the way THEY want you to, then this nation
            would be a better run country. My promise to myself is. I will never
            vote for any candidate that has the same fraternal background as those
            that are in office now. I will never vote for another candidate that has
            the same schooling as the majority of Presidents have had. Other words
            none from Yale and None from Harvard. How do we expect any of these guys
            to be different if they have the exact training and the exact
            background as those that have been shafting us for centuries? I voted
            against Obama twice. I knew when he got in office this nation would
            never ever be the same. I also believe and it still could be the case
            there would never be another elected president again after Him. We have to wait and see on that.

          • KeysJ

            I completely agree. I didn’t vote either for the same reason. I am also not too into politics due to the fact that both major parties refuse to compromise and listen to each other on anything that doesn’t agree with the “views” of their own party. Call me naive or ignorant, but the only way this is going to get solved is if the people actually take REAL action against these two parties. The reason why I don’t have hope for any change is because people read articles or see videos and end up arguing about it over comments (much like is happening here), but don’t actually physically get off of their butts and do anything about it. It is clear that the majority of people aren’t happy with the government. The only real way to make any change it to actually take action, not bitch about it over comments. But this will never happen since it is the easy and convenient way of trying to get your point across and trying to prove who’s smarter with bigger words than actually solving the problem.

          • Rafael Sedano

            i love this.. i am exactly the same way.. i will vote when i believe that person will make a difference for the people. walking dead is part of my prepper option.

          • relbmar16

            I think you’re entirely missing the point of the person you commented on. When the person said, “Christ is coming one day and He will set this straight”. He’s not speaking about how to solve the problem which is how you responded. He’s speaking about the Christian belief or concept of “Judgement Day”, the end as we know it…..end times. He’s not speaking about “fixing everything” by praying. Get it? You might not agree with the idea, but that’s what he meant.

          • MShowerhead

            Your point is as irrelevant and ridiculous and the initial commentator. Since “Judgement Day” is a Christian belief and we live in a country that promotes religious freedom, one’s belief should not be used as a solution to an actual problem. There’s no problems with having those beliefs and I won’t say you’re right or wrong, it just has no place here.

            Notice that I’m not ripping these beliefs like other people in this thread or being insensitive to their beliefs (except for my zombie and hands-tied jokes, which were money). I’m just saying that, like I said previously, religion is apples. We’re talking about oranges.

          • http://robzie.wordpress.com/ Rob Zaleski

            One million high fives. And nice tie-in for The Walking Dead.

          • abdulwalee

            The system and catalysts for change is precisely the problem. The two party bought by wall street and the Federal Reserve Central bank. Won’t work voting is worst than faith in God and praying for change, but you leave that system and don’t participate. But that can mean disaster for working Americans they call them malitia, living off the grid, or even Muslims , Jesus kicked the money lenders out of the temple. but what else is radically necessary to fix this giant too big to fail monster except a greater power they only are accountable to Allah.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Your god is responsible for all the pain and suffering that exists, has the power to stop it, but is so evil that he does not.

            Your god is either evil, or fake.

          • lcuvillier

            Sorry you feel that way – and I pray that one day you will see the truth. God is good. God sent His only Son to die for you and He loves you. He will not force Himself on anyone, no matter how evil they are. God’s Word says His desire is for all to come to Him, not He forcing Himself on you. If you could open you eyes and your heart to the Truth of the Word and allow Him to love you, you would not feel this way. Again, I will pray for you brother and hope you will change your heart for Him.

          • Mitchell Davis

            If god would sooner have people tortured forever than give them reason to think he exists, he is evil. If god created infinite punishment for finite crimes, that means he is infinitely evil. If god murdered his own son, he is evil. If god created a system that would make people evil, he is evil. If god didn’t know how to forgive people (which it’s not his place to do, if they aren’t doing things to him) without murdering people, then he is evil.

            If god doesn’t know how to create a perfectly moral system, he’s both immoral and not omniscient. Either god is evil and not omniscient, or he does not exist.

            You are either a follower of the purest evil that could be, or a follower of something that cannot exist. If you think he does exist, that means you opt for the former option, which means you are also evil.

          • lcuvillier

            Well, I will continue to pray for you Mitchell – Lord, I pray that you open Mitchell’s eyes and his heart to your love. I pray that he will come to know with a personal relationship. Lord, please let him come to know your plan of salvation, that he may spend eternity in heaven with you. Thank you for this opportunity to tell him about You and your love. In the name of Jesus Christ I pray, Amen.

          • Mitchell Davis

            You pray because you are either unable or unwilling to actually do something to demonstrate your deity actually exists. If you were to take a course in philosophy, you would fail dismally.

          • lcuvillier

            Still praying for you Mitchell.

          • Mitchell Davis

            If you actually cared about me, then you’d give me evidence of your deity, and then I would believe you. It is THAT simple.

            Instead, you’re simply pretending you care to make yourself feel superior. Evidence, or you demonstrate that your are a liar.

          • lcuvillier

            The tomb is still empty. Have you tried to read the bible? I challenge you to read the book of John. No more no less. Read it for 30 days. But do it with an open mind.

            I am not superior to you, nor am I lying Mitchell. I have been praying for you. I had others pray for me before my eyes were opened to the truth that Christ was real and He desired a relationship with me. The God of all creation desires a relationship with us. How cool is that?

            I too looked for evidence. I believe evolution. But when you start to think about evolution, it really starts to unravel. If the big bang theory is true, then where did the mass come from that created the big bang? In an explosion, perfect order does not result – only chaos results. Each planet, solar system and galaxy is set in perfect order of each other. How does that happen in an explosion? I won’t get into the creation of everything, such as how did plant life and animal life all come from a single cell amoeba?

            Next, the disciples were real people. The followed Jesus for 31/2 years. Though they followed Him, they didn’t truly believe that He was God Himself that came to live among us until He rose from the grave. Before He died, they just were along for the ride so-to-speak. But once He rose from the grave, you could not contain them. I mean is, the pharisee’s tried to shut them up but they would not. They went to their graves claiming that Jesus was God and He rose from the grave to save their souls. No one, I mean no one will willingly die for a lie. They gave their lives for the truth. They saw Jesus after His resurrection and they died telling everyone they could about it, so others would know that He died for the whole world, to include you and me.

            So you see Mitchell, I am no better than you or anyone else. I am a sinner saved by the Grace of God Himself. I have placed my faith in Him alone. This world may be falling apart, but God is so good that He came down to earth and died for you and me, the wretched sinners that we are so that we can live with Him for all eternity.

            You see, man is the one that brought sin into the world in the Garden. Man is the one that wanted to be like God. God is God. We are not God. But, He did provide a way to Him, by sending a carpenter a little over 2000 years ago to build that bridge between man and God, and He used the Cross.

            I will keep praying for you Mitchell that you may come to the saving knowledge of Christ. Please read the book of John and let God do a work in your heart and I pray that one day we may meet on the streets of Heaven.

            In Christ…

          • Mitchell Davis

            “So you see Mitchell, I am no better than you or anyone else” Wrong. You are better than Hitler and Stalin. I am better than you, for not being a sexist, homophobic, thoughtlessly-credulous sycophant to a malevolent falsehood that has caused more death and suffering than anything else in the (actual) history of the world.

            You are also blatantly lying about believing in evolution and the Big Bang, which is why you cannot accurately relate them. This, again, makes you evil according to the Bible.

            “I will keep praying for you Mitchell that you may come to the saving knowledge of Christ. Please read the book of John and let God do a work in your heart and I pray that one day we may meet on the streets of Heaven.” Again, you’re ignoring the bible. According to the Bible, that makes you a servant of Satan. You are the second most evil thing that exists in your belief system.

            You have repeatedly assailed me with claims, but have yet to put forth any actual evidence.

            This is what your religion has done for thousands of years: killed, raped, tortured and pillaged to avoid one incredibly simple act: demonstrating your claims to be true. If you cannot provide evidence for your deity, you are both untrustworthy and in violation of 1 Peter 3 (actually, you’re already in violation of 1 Peter 3).

          • Hannah Clement

            You say you are “better than you”, but whose standards of better are you using? If you are using the Bible’s than why are you saying it isn’t true? also, we all have sinned and are sinners, so yes we are all evil, however, Christ came to save us from eternal damnation. Are we perfect now? NO, we still sin and fall short but now we have Christ who puts His righteousness upon us. He took our punishment. Yes, people kill, rape, torture, and pillage. People do. People are sinners. Christ has offered salvation to us.

          • Mindy Beaumont

            So if you, or your daughter or sister or mother, were raped violently and repeatedly and the rapist asked forgiveness, you would forgive him? Because of a story MADE UP over 2,000 years ago?

          • Asher Smith

            God willing yes. See Armish is response to the guy that entered a classroom and killed all 10 girls about 9-10 aged from memory. The same day soon after the event they Armish community came to the aid of the widow of the man who had killed their children. God willing I would forgive all.

          • Mindy Beaumont

            Shame your silly imaginary friend didn’t teach you to read or spell. My name isn’t Mandy and it’s Amish. Education is everything and there’s more than one book to read. Try it out.

          • LaVerne Haslett

            That is the lie “education is everything” a god, set above the most high god. It is just one of the gods America worships.

          • Asher Smith

            Do you think education is or at least can be a blessing?

          • Mindy Beaumont

            Why would you want to live in ignorance?

          • Asher Smith

            Is that an ad hominem about the silly friend?

            Mindy I did get name wrong, there was no malice in this. My apologies. Hope no offense was taken.

            Do not think education is sufficient and I am a teacher. Certainly it is essential to flourish. Although that may involve a discussion on what education is … in regards to trying it out you would have to provide a reason for me to have that discussion with you.

          • Asher Smith

            Also, you could argue that my spelling is phonemically correct ;)

          • Mindy Beaumont

            Did you look that up on Google? PHONETICALLY, it’s spelled AMISH, not Armish.

          • Asher Smith

            Phonemics are different from phonetics and I presented the phonemes phonetically as they sound.

            p.s. phonetically Armish is correct ;)

            Either way your point? Or are you just indulging in a red herring?

          • Mindy Beaumont

            Phonetically, it’s Ahmish. There is no “r” in Amish. And, no point, really, other than to prove that you just used big words you don’t really know the meaning of to try to prove something that you have no other evidence for.

          • Mitchell Davis

            You are evil.

          • Asher Smith

            Apparently.

          • Asher Smith

            Not sure how that relates to the post that it was in reference too. i.e. relevance?

          • Hannah Clement

            If anyone was raped, especially those I know, I would have a terribly hard time forgiving them. I don’t know if I could do it. But God forgave us and sent His Son to take the punishment of my sins. He forgave me, shouldn’t I then have compassion on those who sin against me? It wouldn’t be easy at all to forgive them, but I would try. Sin is terrible, I hate sin, but I love the person just as Christ loves me.

          • Mindy Beaumont

            I find that horribly disturbing.

          • Hannah Clement

            what part do you find disturbing? that Christ took our sins, including yours, upon Himself and took the punishment for them? or the part that I would have a hard time forgiving someone even though I have been forgiven? please do explain yourself

          • Mindy Beaumont

            I find it disturbing that grown people in the modern world still believe in fairy tale mythology. I also find it disturbing that you believe that someone who would commit such an atrocious act even deserves compassion or forgiveness.

          • Hannah Clement

            ok, well I give you another look at this. If the Bible is just mythology than how do you define evil? or atrocious acts?

          • Mindy Beaumont

            With a dictionary.

          • Mitchell Davis

            You think a guy murdering his own son (which could not possibly effect you) is a good thing? E-V-I-L.

          • Mitchell Davis

            “Yes, people kill, rape, torture, and pillage. People do. People are sinners. Christ has offered salvation to us.” You lose the me as a partner in the discussion, because you have decided to advocate for evil deeds. Anyone that advocates for rape, torture, murder, or that those actions are acceptable is morally bankrupt, and one cannot have a logical discussion about morality with the immoral. I hope that one day you feel the shame you should feel over having made that comment.

          • Hannah Clement

            I am not by any means advocating evil. I am sorry for coming off that way, I didn’t at all mean it in that context. Sin is horrible, and I condemn it. However, Christ has offered to save people from evil. Sin is sin, God hates sin, but loves people.
            With that said, if you don’t believe the Bible, how can you have “morals”? I am honestly curious, please don’t take this the wrong way, I just want to understand what the standard is for your morals? Because if you don’t believe in a higher power, then how do we have ‘morals”?
            Again, please don’t get defensive, I honestly want to know. Thanks :)

          • Mitchell Davis

            Are you really that stupid? Do you think that a person must abide by arbitrary rules in order to a have a moral system? That unless someone mindlessly repeats what some book says, they cannot be moral?

            The Bible says that you MUST kill me, because I am a non-believer; that you MUST bring me to the edge of town and stone me to death. Will you attempt to follow that command? If you say no, you have morals at some level BUT you are willfully and intentionally acting against god. If you say yes, then you don’t have a moral compass, and you are acting in perfect accordance with your god’s wishes.

          • Hannah Clement

            Before I answer your questions, could you pleas answer mine :) I will gladly reply to yours but you just avoided mine. You say people are allowed to be moral without a book of code, OK, well what is your definition of moral? did you just make it up on your own or have you adopted someone elses idea?

          • LaVerne Haslett

            God wrote His law on your heart. That is why your heart condemns you when you do wrong. When man continually denies that and goes against it, he ceases to hear his heart, it grows darker and darker. Romans 1

          • Conservative NOT Racist

            And the rest of the story unfolds. Mitchell thinks he’s better than anyone who doesn’t think like he does. Just like a liberal fool. Mitchell, I AM better than you simply for the reason that I have belief, and all you have is your petty jealousy of that belief. Simply because you can’t see, you refuse to believe. In that, you have damned yourself. When it comes to your time, try to remember those who were trying to help you. I don’t think it’ll do any good, but try anyway.

          • Mitchell Davis

            I am not better than everyone, I am better than everyone that advocates eternal punishment for finite crimes. I have morals- that makes me better than people without them automatically.

            I am not jealous of your advocacy for eternal evils, or for petty deities that would rather torture people than simply educate the or heal them or construct a fair system.

            You aren’t trying to help me, you’re trying to make yourself feel superior. Feel superior all you like, you are objectively inferior to me and anyone else with a moral compass.

            Sure, try to hurl the label ‘liberal’ at my feet as some sort of insult, but I will pick it up and wear it as a badge of honor. I have compassion for other human beings- you think that makes me weak? So be it. I am part of the progressive movement that ended slavery, that fights for gay rights and women’s rights, that attempts to bring about not just access to human freedoms, but equity of access. In attacking that, you demonstrate you do not care about these goals, these gains- that you do not care about humanity.

            Be we already knew that. If you ever actually cared about helping, you’d just present undeniable evidence for your deity- but you haven’t, and I doubt you ever will.

          • Conservative NOT Racist

            Of course you’d wear it as a badge of honor. You’re too stupid to understand what an insult it truly is. That’s ok, I don’t need your approval, unlike you who apparently needs someone’s approval in order to validate your pathetic existence. Sorry, can’t help you with that. I see nothing to validate, nor am I trying to help you. The only one who can help you is you, and you are far to entrenched in your worthlessness to actually care about helping yourself.

            Psst. Last thing idiot. Faith isn’t about undeniable proofs moron. It’s about FAITH. DOH! But stupid liberals, just like you, are just way to engrossed in their touchy feeley BS to actually understand what they are talking about.

            You should probably stop talking now. You’re increasing your carbon footprint. Wouldn’t want another idiot hero of the left to come after you for causing global warming. SMFH in total disbelief at the ignorance of the liberals……………

          • Asher Smith

            Mitchell you seem to enjoy attacking.

            Consider this: The “Arab Spring” is yet to be decided whether it is worthing of that name because revolution is the easy part. My point here is that it is easier to criticise, than it is to make something. Remember the actually video substance? Would you be part of the problem or solution according to what you think the Anchor was getting at?

          • Norman Reece

            The entire new testament is PROOF that somewhere along the road to Damascus Paul found a stash of L.S.D.!!

          • Asher Smith

            lol

          • Mindy Beaumont

            Why on earth would it take anyone 30 days to read a single book of the bible?

            Also, please, do not speak scientifically as if you know anything of science or how our universe was created. You just make yourself sound even more ignorant than you already did.

          • Mitchell Davis

            ps://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q71/1382877_686934291317340_1573824951_n.jpg

            FFS

          • Asher Smith

            Really Mitchell? You only care because you idolize yourself and/or hate me (paraphrased). This attitude is very human. St Augustine said something like, we all want peace it just happens to be our own peace. But say you are right I cannot see how that does not apply to you by the standards witnessed so far.

            Question though, is maliciousness significant??

          • KidLeopard .

            Good luck with that prayer gimmick – because nothing, absolutely nothing fails like prayer.

          • Asher Smith

            I’ll pray for you ;)

          • Fergus

            Man wrote the religious texts (fact)–Man cannot be trusted (fact). Thus man told us what to believe, we do not serve “God”, we serve man. We are only Christian because of the location in which we were born. The Byzantine empire and Ottomans (and many many others) converted others and the “savages” around them, not because they were interested in their salvation, but for many different political reasons (mainly control). Many nations/kingdoms etc., were converted to one religion or another simply because one group got to them first, or another offered more protection, privileges, etc., (Politics). The Catholic Church (and others) used man’s religion, to not only control the masses, but to persecute those who tried to expose the truth (Galileo etc.). I am not saying there is no God/creator/mother/father etc., because in truth, no one can prove either way. What I am saying is that for centuries we have been told what to believe by people that were primitive, cruel, and uneducated. I will not be told who God is, instead I will look for him/her/it for myself and develop my own understandings. The only problem man has with this, is that he/she cannot exploit my relationship with God and try to control me. I have no church to ask me for money so they can perpetuate these fallacies to others. I have no book that tells me that if I explore other options, and research other possibilities that I will be damned to burn in hell for questioning, or I must be killed as an infidel for my lack of blind faith. I can change my mind, search for other answers, and explore/research freely without some uneducated person trying to control me through scripture and guilt. This is where you tell me my God is most likely Satan, and I am damned to burn in hell for life, then leave me some verse to think upon. I will leave you with this: Who really has the free will here and isn’t that the point?

          • Conservative NOT Racist

            Nice try. But you’ve failed every step of the way. The bible was indeed written by man. BUT, and it is a HUGE but, with divine guidance. So please, since you obviously know nothing of what you preach, cease and desist with your nonsense. Of course, if I were a muzzie, I could always sue you to FORCE you to cease, but all I am doing, since idiots like you have taken MY rights away, is ask. For now.

          • Mindy Beaumont

            There is proof that the bible was written by man. There is no proof that it was written with divine guidance. If I were to write a book today and say that I wrote it with the guidance of your god, would you worship me? Or would you suggest I be committed for suffering delusions? Do you people even listen/read yourselves? You sound like babbling lunatics spouting nonsense about the unicorns and leprechauns.

          • Asher Smith

            Well Mandy I prayed and God answered me. I know that doesn’t help you much.

          • Mitchell Davis
          • Zach

            First off, let’s be clear, peer review can have just as much bias as anything else out there in the world today. In fact, there are some peer review journals who remove counter-argumentative sources not because they are invalid, but because it doesn’t continue to push their specific agenda. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/02/hacked-climate-emails-flaws-peer-review

            Second, you have an ongoing discussion about God. The fact that there is no evidence within your reach does not make something non-existant. A child living in the remote tribes, essentially untouched by modern civilization, has no evidence that there is such a thing as cell phones. No one in their tribe has heard of a cell phone. They have never seen or experienced it, that does not mean that cell phones do not exist.

            If you are a sincere, critical thinking, analyst of knowledge, you have to admit that there are things to be known that you simply do not currently know and may never know. You also have to admit that many times scientists are wrong (this is the very nature of the scientific process and the end goal of peer review before it’s been corrupted). In fact, recently, when scientists working with the Haldron Collider discovered they were able to get material to travel “faster than light”, they were perplexed, and handed out their materials to allow everyone to prove them wrong. We are still gaining new knowledge.

            This is where you are falling into an illogical trap. Richard Dawkins is a non-thinking idiot Atheist. The late Christopher Hitchens is a thinking Atheist. What’s the difference? When presented with the evidence for a higher being, an extra-dimensional ultimate source of power (such as is presented in “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be An Atheist”), Richard Dawkins can’t accept the fact that it could be considered God. Basically he, like you, have major semantic issues with the term God.

            Whereas Hitchens admits that the evidence, scientifically presented, can conclude a higher power or being, and if you want to call that God, then fine, but he doesn’t believe it’s a PERSONAL God. Hence there may be a higher power, but it couldn’t possibly care about anything you do. Presented with evidence, you may speculate, but not draw specific conclusions. Being an atheist in the sense of Richard Dawkins is shallow thinking. Being a speculative atheist who admits that a higher being could exist, particularly as science expands, makes you a real analyst.

            Let’s get to the hypocrisy of what you’re saying. You, with no basis for morality other than what you feel is right and wrong, have determined that God is evil or fake (which I already address as naive). Why is he evil? Because he killed people? I can list dozens of modern reasons that killing is completely justified and rational. Just because you don’t feel it is justified (with no basis for that moral), doesn’t mean that it isn’t. In fact, you may not have all he information, particularly when using a text that has been translated, handed down, and altered for thousands of years. Oh, and probably has had some bias inserted into it. Does this mean God doesn’t exist? No, it means that the Bible may be inspired scripture that tells true stories, but to take everything at face value without knowing the historicity or intent is just silly.

            In fact, if you’re going to decide to take everything in the Bible at face value, then you’re an idiot for even suggesting that God or God’s do not exist, by Christian definition. “Is it not written in your law, Ye Are Gods?”, and this is not the possessive ye, for Christ’s follow up to this term is the explanation of how if the people are God’s, how can they be mad at him for being the SON of God? The Book of Romans tells us we are children of God, and heirs with Christ. “The spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.” In other words, humans are Gods. So you saying that Gods don’t exist, when Humans are Gods by biblical definition, is actually hilarious.

            Does God have the power to stop “bad things” (things your moral conscience considers to be wrong, but since morals are relative your argument is already bullshit)? Not necessarily. God can not lie, he would cease to be God. That means there’s a limit he either imposes on himself, or things that he is incapable of doing regardless. Allowing people to make a choice doesn’t by default make you bad, and neither does a punishment afterwards. You are implying that any system with laws/punishment/prison is inherently evil. I’d be interested to see that argument scientifically.

            Eternal Punishment? That can actually be finite. Because God has many different names, one of them being Eternal and Infinite, the title doesn’t have to mean time but can mean simply “God’s Punishment”. That doesn’t mean people will be in hell forever. In fact, the New Testament discusses a man in hell temporarily before being brought out. There are “many mansions in my father’s kingdom”, a “glory of the moon” and a “glory of the stars”, for every star differs from another in glory. It’s validly argued that no one will be permanently in Hell, unless they absolutely choose to be, with a full knowledge of their choice.

            I believe in a God that applies laws and principles based on the people he is dealing with. I believe that moral agency is so important to him, and that he has a far greater view of the eternal picture, that he allows us to do bad things because in the end, it doesn’t matter what happens to us here, it will all be made up. And I believe that everyone who chooses to do so, will make it to heaven. I believe that atheists who condemn God based on morals are absolute hypocrites, for they have no basis for their morality, it’s merely how they feel, and they refuse to accept the Bible for what it is. And to be fair, most Christians fail to accept the Bible for what it is.

            Go read “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist” and you’ll see the evidence’d argument for God’s existence. And if you need additional help – when presented with two conclusions, the simpler one is usually true. An eternal being orchestrated the creation of the trillions of planets and billions of galaxies we know of, or ‘nothing happened to nothing which happened to explode nothing into everything in the universe’. Take your pick — with our current knowledge, and growing knowledge, I know which one seems rational to me.

          • Mitchell Davis

            That you do not understand how to differentiate reliable peer-review from unreliable peer-review doesn’t magically make the reliable peer-review unreliable.

            “Second, you have an ongoing discussion about God. The fact that there is no evidence within your reach does not make something non-existant.” You’re right. However, THERE IS NO REASON TO THINK SOMETHING EXISTS IF YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE FOR IT. (That’s only the sixth or seventh time I’ve repeated that on this thread.)

            You know what proves science wrong? Science. You know what proves god right? Nothing. Nothing now, and nothing yet. If you have evidence, present it, and stop trying to cheat logic.

          • Zach

            That you do not understand how to read and comprehend doesn’t magically make you correct.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Pretending my response wasn’t cogent and still not presenting any evidence is sooo much easier than demonstrating you’re right- yet, it doesn’t make you any righter.

            “Go read “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist” and you’ll see the evidence’d argument for God’s existence.”

            Just cite the evidence. Ta-dah! Simple concept.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Pretending that I don’t understand what you read doesn’t magically disappear my rebuttal, any more than it magically make it okay for you to not identify evidence and pretend you have identified evidence. If the book you reference has evidence, reference the evidence and not the book.

            Tell me: why are you avoiding evidence like it was the plague? If you have it, present it and be done instead of adding the claim that you have it to the long list of your claims.

          • Zach

            Um, I responded once, when you clearly hadn’t addressed hardly anything that I said. And you keep changing your responses. So it’s hard for me to respond to your issues. Wow.

            Go do some research. Obviously you haven’t done it, and are making a claim. Continuing to ignore the evidence doesn’t make you magically correct, no matter how much you try. Like many atheists, you ignore what may contradict you and try to make the other person silly. Yet, you can’t contradict my arguments, you claim I don’t present anything. Whereas you simply haven’t responded to the arguments that I completely destroy you on, and briefly respond with clarification for others.

            Since the Hitchens quote is part of a debate deep in a video, I’ll give that one to you. Dawkins quote about a species potentially planting the seeds of life on Earth but not calling them “God” is widely available. But here’s Hitchens:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVZnwZdh-iM (36:20)

            In fact, he himself says you are a dumb atheist, and that a real atheist would be skeptical about such a claim but not be able to make a final claim because there hasn’t been solid evidence.

            Telling me to give you the information instead of studying it yourself shows the depth of your study and knowledge. I’ve given you a source that will be able to address it better than me regurgitating, stop being lazy.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Maybe you’re not paying attention: not accepting a thing exists until there is evidence to believe it is logical. Present some evidence, and I’ll believe in your deity.

            “Yet, you can’t contradict my arguments, you claim I don’t present anything. Whereas you simply haven’t responded to the arguments that I completely destroy you on, and briefly respond with clarification for others.”
            “Continuing to ignore the evidence doesn’t make you magically correct, no matter how much you try. ”

            I’ve been asking for evidence for a god, you said you had it, and you failed to actually provide it. What more of a response would you like? Actually direct me to some evidence. A book by a philosopher =/= scientific evidence for a deity.

          • Zach

            According to Hitchens, it’s not logical. That’s what you aren’t understanding. He doesn’t know if God exists, he hasn’t seen convincing evidence.

            You assume God doesn’t exist because you haven’t seen evidence.

            One is logical, the other is not. The book, and each of the arguments in “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist” covers scientific theory and how it points to an ultimate power. You can’t even do basic research, can you? I’m providing the evidence for you to study, and YOU ARE LITERALLY CHOOSING TO REMAIN IGNORANT AND NOT STUDY IT. LITERALLY. Listen to yourself. You are not being remotely scientific.

          • Mitchell Davis

            According to Hichens, it is- and what is illogical ‘according to’ anyone is irrelevant. (Don’t think I didn’t notice the argument from authority). Logical is logical, irrespective of one’s opinion. I do not believe in things that do not have evidence. You don’t believe in fairies, or unicorns, and that is not illogical. What IS illogical is to say that a thing CANNOT be true unless you have evidence that it cannot be true. I have seen no sufficient evidence for your god- nor has the scientific community. If that changes, I’ll believe in it (not worship it, because I’m not immoral, but believe in it). Moreover, near-every scientist will, too.

            If there is scientific evidence in the book of a philosopher, then it came from somewhere. If you have read his book, then simply site the articles he used- they’ll be in the back, under ‘citations’ or ‘sources’ or something to that effect.

            “covers scientific theory and how it points to an ultimate power.” Yet, physicists disagree with him (and more importantly, they disagree because of science). Kind of the ultimate problem with pointing to people’s opinions instead of research is that opinions aren’t in any way based on fact. He thinks that what is known about the universe points to a higher power- so what? What evidence is there?

            “You can’t even do basic research, can you?” Ironic, coming from someone that does not understand how citation works. Let me help you: if you site a book in lieu of evidence, you don’t get to be taken seriously.
            Try presenting evidence again, and this time don’t be intellectually dishonest, and don’t try to cheat by providing something that may-or-may-not-contain-evidence-you’ll-just-have-to-buy-the-book-to-find-out. Yes, this means that you MUST cite peer-reviewed research and must NOT cite some form of commentary.

          • Zach

            Hitchens has authority, and argument from authority is oftentimes valid. Hate to burst your little internet bubble where people throw fallacies around to make themselves sound cool. I’m curious what makes you have more knowledge or authority than him? What are your credentials?

            Why don’t you grab the book yourself and check the sources? As I’ve said repeatedly, I’m not going to make the arguments for the author. He covers it. In fact, he’ll probably engage in a discussion with you if you’d like. Now who is not using sources? You just told me that scientists disagree with the book, using science, and provided no citation…Thanks for proving to be a hypocrite again. Would you like to go back to your moral relatively and the hypocrisy of claiming God is evil? Or continue down this road providing evidence for arguments I’m not presenting?

            I remember when I thought it was cool to be an atheist. Then I grew up.

          • Mitchell Davis

            I don’t know what to say. This is a level of cognitive dissonance I’ve not often encountered. If hope, one day, you decide that reality is more important to you than the comfort of your Iron-age myths.

          • Zach

            I hope, one day, you realize that the atheistic path you’ve gone down is one of close-mindedness, the same that Dawkins has done. You can be an Atheist and be smart, or you can be an Atheist and be dumb. Do actual research, don’t depend on someone on the internet to present arguments from information that you can view yourself. The fact that you’d prefer someone on the internet to the actual source is indicative of your intelligence.

            Best wishes in your future. I’m glad someone was able to rend you speechless.

          • GFCinthatorder

            And you certainly must not have a soul either. BECAUSE YOU don’t believe in one. Now is that an iron age myth? If you did then you must believe in a higher Deity than yourself and you said it yourself. No proof so it doesn’t exist.

          • Mitchell Davis

            “If you did then you must believe in a higher Deity than yourself and you said it yourself.” How did I miss that?

            Instead of arguing that there is a soul, provide evidence that there is a soul. It’s easy- well, it’s easy if soul’s actually exist. If you can’t provide evidence, then no amount of blather will make me believe you. Peer-review or GTFO.

          • GFCinthatorder

            This is probably one of the most simplist for you to perceive. Yet I know you will just sweep it under the rug because you have to or your life is a total lie. And yes Pride will keep YOU from seeing any Fact or Truth at all.

            One of the most striking proofs is documented by the renowned father of modern neurosurgery, Dr Wilder Penfield, in his book The Mystery of the Mind.  Let’s consider one of his many experiments, paraphrased here without the technical jargon for easy understanding.

            Dr Penfield set up a high-tech system to observe the brain activity of a subject, who was told to do simple activities like raising his hand. When he raised his arm, a certain part of the brain was activated and the subject described the event as: “I raised my arm.” When he brought his arm down, that part of the brain was seen to be deactivated and the subject described the event as: “I put my arm down.”

            Then Dr Penfield, using state-of-the-art technology, artificially activated that part of the brain and the arm rose up. The subject described the event as: “My arm went up.” Dr Penfield specifically asked: “Did you raise your arm?” The subject replied with full certainty: “I didn’t raise my hand. My arm rose up by itself.” When Dr Penfield deactivated the brain and the arm went down, the patient described: “My arm fell down; I did not bring it down.”

            This simple experiment had profound implications: in both cases, the brain was activated to raise and lower the arm. But in the second case, Dr Penfield, an external agent, was activating the brain.  Who was the agent activating it in the first case? In both cases, the brain was serving as a machine to transmit the intention of an agent. In the second case, it transmitted Dr Penfield’s intention. In the first case, whose intention did it transmit? Could the mysterious agent be the soul? Dr Penfield had started his brain research with the explicit intention of disproving the existence of the soul, but after conducting experiments like the above one for forty years, he came to an unambiguous conclusion: “The brain is a computer, but it is programmed by something outside of itself.”

            Now I wonder what that could be. Reasonable enough. Intelligent enough. And not that you show any care or anything but you are a very rude individual and I certainly hope there is something that brings you peace other than self gratitude.

          • Mitchell Davis

            The brain is ‘programmed’ essentially by evolution, and then by sociological factors. Neuroscience has demonstrated that the brain orders that brain to do things based on stimuli. We know enough about the brain to fake and/or replicate many of these stimuli in environs where they would otherwise not exist. You demonstrate a lack of basic understanding of neuroscience. (What else is new?)

            Warning: do not try to tell me something is attested by neuroscience that is not. I’ve taken courses on neuroscience and I understand a much greater than average depth of terminology. Go ahead and use the technical jargon. The challenge to present evidence for the notion of a ‘soul’ or ‘spirit’ is one that I’ve never seen anyone even try to answer without either avoiding providing evidence or transparently lying (though the lies may be less transparent to someone ignorant of the subject matter- I don’t know).

            I am rude to you and those like you because you are promoting intellectual genocide, and your religion has caused more suffering and slaughter than any other group- and continues to do so today. If you had a moral compass to speak of, you would be repulsed by the notion of thought crime and genocide and torture; instead, you extol what you believe to be the being that is ultimately to blame for all of that, thereby extolling those evils.

            Back to the topic at hand. I’ll say it again: present EVIDENCE, not COMMENTARY. If you cannot, then ADMIT it like an HONEST person.

          • deanna smith

            this is why lay-people should refrain from reading research articles that they do not understand. our understanding of the internal workings of the brain has advance significantly since dr penfields era… to say the least.

          • GFCinthatorder

            And you/your intelligent community is not searching for any truth. You already have preconceived ideas going into your research with the intention (just like Dr. P’s. originally) to disprove there is no God and no soul. Your non “lay-people” referance speaks volumes. If it wasn’t for us you would all be rulling the world your way with your teachings of what you consider truth to be when it is actually biased. Don’t try and tell me it isn’t, you are not ruthful at all. I was raised going to school being taught about your walking fish. Blind fools you are! Trying to tell us about the soul from which you are in total darkness and will continue to be.

          • deanna smith

            wow, talk about projection and assumption.

          • deanna smith

            oh… and i found your walking fish…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijSbKhcbvwg

          • GFCinthatorder

            @deanna,
            You only prove the point with this foolishness. Adaptation of species and you came from a line of monkeys, as you already know, are two completely different lines of your belief system. So your internal “workings of the brain” need to be reworked (for the sake of your followers) once again. You know take that quantum leap FORWARD…..lol.
            Unlike your community, I am not a follower/committed to any institution. What I have you cannot posess, you have not the capacity within your soul (yes you have one whether you choose to or not) to obtain it. It comes from Something that your class does not believe exist. tch….such a shame….and then you die….and for what huh? You’re a lousy gambler!

          • deanna smith

            “You only prove the point with this foolishness.” emotional appeal. “Adaptation of species and you came from a line of monkeys, as you
            already know, are two completely different lines of your belief system.” this statement belies your lack of understand of the theory of evolution… no one will seriously claim that we “came from monkeys” but that monkeys and humans had a common ancestor roughly 25 million years ago. those on the religious end of the spectrum have a vested interest in making distinctions without a difference in an attempt to distract for the fact that in all of history for all natural phenomena and localities that supernatural explanations have always failed and have been replaced with scientific naturalistic explanations.

            your claim that a soul is somehow independent from a mind is simply not supported by the evidence… im sorry but when a simple 2 micron incision in your temporal lobe can make you a completely different person within hours… your idea’s that a persons being is somehow separate from their physical form is laughable.

            but if you have any evidence with which to support your claims by all means present away. though lastly… pascals wager? really? you base your faith of the idea that you can fool a “omniscient” entity that your solipsistic belief and faith are worth the roughly 60-70 kilo’s of carbon oxygen hydrogen calcium and phosphorus? is that the best you can do?

          • GFCinthatorder

            What you call “emotional appeal” (An appeal to emotion is a type of argument which attempts to arouse the emotions of its audience in order to gain acceptance of its conclusion. Despite the example of Mr. Spock from the original Star Trek television series, emotion is not always out of place in logical thinking. However, there is no doubt that strong emotions can subvert rational thought, and playing upon emotions in an argument is often fallacious. ) is actually something you should know all about! Your form of reasoning and your form of teaching is exactly that “:emotional appeal”! You teach, as though you know or have the “facts”, like this is law. Though you don’t have the tying “facts” to back yourself up. When “God” (superior being or what ever you choose to call God since you say He doesn’t exist) allows man to find “facts” that point straight to an organized intelligent path you have to completely reject that (or you could not claim to be scientist) and come up with more foolishness that is in fact harder to believe in than what I now already possess. Yet we are expected to treat as “fact” your theories? No it is clear who is in need of the “emotional appeal” here. Oh and BTW your “understanding of the theory of evolution” is perfectly plausible …as a theory for those who need to follow your RELIGIOUS beliefs! Unfortunately we do not bow before thee and thy theories. And as for the “common” genetic make-up, of some 25 million year old theory, that we have related or “common” DNA with come prehistoric brotherhood of cave chimps……wow…….I guess we are are related to H20 since without it we could not exist . You are guilty of your own accusation. I’m sorry however I cannot except your conclusion even though you are attempting to rouse my emotions into doing so because your conclusions are fallacious! As usual! Where have all the good scientist gone that have not been indoctrinated by their teachers and the latest cohorts of doing their best to prove God does not exist!

          • Zach

            Me not feeling qualified to present the scientific evidence presented in a book is hardly ‘not providing evidence’. You are welcome to read and evaluate the evidence yourself.

            The book covers science, not philosophy, and shows how science points to the existence of a higher power (which leads to a semantic argument about ‘God’).

            You are choosing to be ignorant. Literally. Do your research. I’ve researched your position, demonstrated the faults in your arguments of an evil God and the faults in the logic of your form of Atheism. You are welcome to research those who speak from my side scientifically, I personally am not advancing a scientific argument, just deconstructing yours.

          • Mitchell Davis

            That you do not understand how to differentiate reliable peer-review from unreliable peer-review doesn’t magically make the reliable peer-review unreliable.

            “Second, you have an ongoing discussion about God. The fact that there is no evidence within your reach does not make something non-existant.” You’re right. However, THERE IS NO REASON TO THINK SOMETHING EXISTS IF YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE FOR IT. (That’s only the sixth or seventh time I’ve repeated that on this thread.)

            You know what proves science wrong? Science. You know what proves god right? Nothing. Nothing now, and nothing yet. If you have evidence, present it, and stop trying to cheat logic.

            Also, making shit up about Dawkins or anyone else doesn’t make your blather any more credible. Dawkins and Hitchens did not believe in a god because of a lack of evidence- end of story.

            No, my issue with god/s is not a semantic one, which you would know if you’d read through the thread.

            “Eternal Punishment? That can actually be finite.”

          • Asher Smith

            So consensus? So then based on the U.N. report you view that the global temperatures haven’t changed? Isn’t that an issue of credibility?

          • Mitchell Davis

            No, not consensus. Actually look into it if you give a crap, instead of making assertions as to what it is without any idea.

          • LaVerne Haslett

            The bible claims it is inspired by God and it also says you will think it is nonsense. And yes, I believe there are other writings inspired by God…but they do not have the authority withing them that the bible has. The bible is the word and Jesus is the word made flesh and dwelt amongst us. That is different than any other book. The Constitution is a good example of an inspired writing. totally, I believe the founders were inspired, it was beyond them and their understanding as to what was recorded for the Constitution. But it does not have the authority that the bible has. It has authority because we give it to it…..the bible has authority because God gives it and no man is going to change that. Every believer that puts His faith in it and confesses it and lives by it receives the same authority it has. It is God’s grace that makes it so….and no man is above God. The Constitution can fail…the word will never fail.

          • Fergus

            Ok, I made the statement that “Man wrote the religious texts” Well that is a fact, man did physically write the texts. This is clearly a problem for me as I go on to state that man has proven that they cannot be trusted. This is my issue with the world religions. Now you disagree, you believe that, although man did physically write the texts, he was not alone. In fact he had divine guidance and, God, actually wrote the text through man. (I believe that was what you were trying to say). I would simply say, OK that sounds great, but you really expect me to believe that just because you do? Because someone told you to believe that? Because some book (that I am arguing man wrote) told you to? (Please see above: Man cannot be trusted) Or did God him/herself come down and show you this? Should I believe this because God told you to tell me that God wrote it? What about all of the other holy texts that were written or created with divine guidance, are they just wrong? You chose to believe in yours, but disregard the others? But its clear that you do not think like this. You do not debate like this. Instead you offer nothing more than personal opinion, make generic statements that fail to either push your point, or refute mine. You tell me I “know nothing of what I preach” and that’s it…. No evidence, no exploration, no reason, just these simple statements. You even go as far as to offer instead of reason, threats. Words like “FORCE” and “for now”. Well allow me (a soldier in the 82nd Airborne 3-505 P.I.R. with two combat deployments in the infantry) to inform you, that is just silly. But let’s not sink any lower here and move on. Then you make the statement, “people like you have taken my rights away”. Please tell me, what right have I taken from you? Did I ever state that I wanted to take a single right from you? Just the opposite, I joined the military because I cherish our rights, I would have and will, die for our freedoms, what have you done to preserve our rights? Just a couple hours ago you tried to take a right from a soldier that fights for your rights. You threatened me, talked about suing me, and told me to “cease and desist” because you didn’t like what I had to say. Do you realize how much of a hypocrite this makes you?? Think about that, you disliked what I said, reacted with only emotion (no logic) threatened me, and attacked me personally (called me an idiot). This should be pretty profound for you if you are really taking this all in and able to comprehend what just happened. You are, in fact, what you hate. Your beliefs and actions are not symmetrical, that is the definition of hypocrisy. In truth, you have done nothing more than unintentionally support and strengthened my previous statement. I am not trying to make this personal, just simply looking for my own truth, which was the point to the original post, the point you clearly missed. You are not in favor of any intellectual growth here, so don’t bother wasting my time any further nonsense. (NONSENSE:1.spoken or written words that have no meaning or make no sense. 2.foolish or unacceptable behavior.)

          • Fergus

            The more I look at your past comments on this site with others, the more I realize just how badly you are in need of some serious character maintenance. You belittle people to the point of talking like a bully and constantly speak more in opinion than facts. When I look at your comments I see a twelve year old. If you are young, then I can understand this to a point, but if you are an adult, there is no justifying this. You are neither a good representation of Christians or conservatives. If I would have looked into your comments prior to my reply, I would not have responded to you at all. I have higher standards than this. Keep your sickness to yourself and go away.

          • Conservative NOT Racist

            Wow, you really are a liberal aren’t you? You took statements that were being used to show you exactly what has been happening in this nation as a personal attack on yourself? What kind of self-aggrandizing little neo-barb are you? Oh, yeah, that’s right. A liberal is just that. Hey, dummy. Read what was written and try not to second guess or twist or change it to fit what you want it to fit. Lord help us, you idiots get more and more stupid as time goes on. Sigh. I bet you believe in global warming and unicorns too. Dumbass.

          • Fergus

            No I am not liberal, and as I already mentioned, you lost all credibility in your posts. You are no longer allow to sit with the adults, go to the kids table, you speak like a 12 year old and you are blatantly ignorant. “One thing you cant hide, is when your crippled inside” Lennon.

          • MShowerhead

            Do you know what the difference is between a conservative and a liberal? One wants to go forward and the other wants to go backwards. You continue to bash liberals as if they were dog shit on your shoe, but that just makes you look worse and worse. Without going into specifics, both sides have their positives and negatives. BOTH SIDES. It’s just as easy to rip apart conservatives, but I know many who have decent things to say. It’s people like you, who disregard a population of Americans as ‘dummies’ just because you don’t agree with them and are too stubborn to update your perspective, who are the real threat to our future.

          • Conservative NOT Racist

            My second thought on your post is “YAWN.” Same tired crap that idiots like you post all the time. It’s BORING. Probably just like your life. It’s worthless. EXACTLY like…….well, I’m sure you get the connotation (that means “what is additionally meant by.”)

          • deanna smith

            hua my friend hua. 98c 115 mi btn.

          • Fergus

            98C is a great MOS!!!! Some Top Secret stuff there! I have a bud that is Military intelligence (Intel analyst) and I can never get him to tell me what y’all do– lol. He keeps telling me that if he tells me, we both go to prison hahaha … Glad to see another in the ranks here! –All the way!!!!

          • deanna smith

            we listen… that much i can tell you… after that i gets… complicated. and yea… i could go to prison… for a LONG time.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Sure, you would say that. The Muslims say that the Koran was written with divine guidance. Fact of the matter is, since none of you have presented anything but claims and arguments from experience, you’re both equally wrong.

          • Fergus

            “Fact of the matter is, since none of you have presented anything but
            claims and arguments from experience, you’re both equally wrong.” I made in my statement was that: A) The texts of the world religions were physically written by man. (That is a fact, no further evidence required) B) Man has repeatedly proven through history (and the present) that we cannot and should not be trusted; we are downright vile and arrogant creatures at times. To believe in man is absurd, yet another will demand that I trust in man and believe in the texts (This is not just a claim, it is a logical observation, do you not agree?) I then went on to claim that if the above potentials are true, we are most likely serving man instead of this “God” we push. This potential is statistically possible, even probable, vs. the arguments opposition. (Man can be trusted) These truths imply that everyone could be wrong, and everyone should look for their own way as it would be more productive. I then made the claim that the majority of people that subscribe to one religion or another are from a specific geographical location that teaches/pressures that person to believe in one certain religion or another. (I think there are like 40 organized religions in the world?) We have been handed down these beliefs from people in the past. Did the Christians of America all get visited by God, and were told by God, that they are right? Or are they simply taking a leap of faith with their beliefs? Did all the Muslims get a visited by their God and were they told they are absolutely right? Either both are wrong, because only one can have the winning hand, or someone is bluffing here. And if it eventually boils down to “taking a leap of faith”, can one or should one, ever make the case that they are correct? And if they cannot make the case that they are absolutely correct without taking this leap of faith, should they invest everything they have into it with blind faith and expect that others do as well? My Byzantine vs. Ottomans example was to provide some support on just how important geographical location is to any one person’s religious belief vs. actual personal conviction or exploration. It furthers my point that these are not our beliefs. (It also served to expose the politics in the many of the religious conversions of that time, by all religions). Any College course in History (my favorite for that period was the Byzantine, Ottoman, and Roman empires) of that time will support that religions were full of politics and used mainly as a form of control to strengthen countries with resources, currency, and military power. Some groups (and Emperors) even switched back and forth from one religion to another for political reasons, and now in the present day, these geographical locations are only that particular religion because of the actions of those leaders from their past. This is why education is so vital for truth. I then went on to say that my opinion does not imply that there is no God/Creator. Intellectual integrity dictates that I must allow for this until it can no longer be considered an option. That and I am not that arrogant as to think that I could possibly answer that. And yes that does mean that one specific world religion could be right and my suspicions were inaccurate, I accept that as anyone should, even as an atheists may have to accept he or she was wrong. I am just pointing out truths here and making no particular claims other than we should not trust what others push on us. We should instead explore this life with an open and educated mind and seek only the truth through our own devices. “Whatever you do, you must remain nimble in your thinking. Do not become so attached to any one belief that you cannot see past it to another possibility.” CHRISTOPHER PAOLINI,

          • LaVerne Haslett

            If you depend on God to reveal everything to you then you know that Abraham was visited by God and he believed. That is where it started. God made a covenant with him for many to return to God, to accept the savior Jesus Christ. But he put Abraham to sleep and cut the covenant between Himself and Jesus because then it can’t fail….with man it could fail. Obviously, the Old covenant that was between man and God wasn’t enough…but it did lead men to Jesus, those that would believe as Abraham did. I’ve been a christian for many years and I depend more on the spirit and what He tells me personally than I ever have and the revelation is wonderful…but I know the word, I’ve spent years getting to know who God is and His character and what he would do and wouldn’t do. Without that, the spirit could be God’s spirit or another “spirit”, a lying one…sent to deceive. God’s grace is abundant and He wants us to have it all….but it is still according to His ways…not ours. He is in control…so much more than man knows. The purpose he gives you, He performs..by the counsel of His will…not yours. When we know him, accept Him and what He has done for us…we can’t lose

          • LaVerne Haslett

            You have a point…to a point. God has always desired fellowship with man. Man has always required, or needed, something more than spirit to spirit which is what we were created. we are created in the image of God. However, God said we were created in their (our) image…who was he talking to? Jesus was always with God. So being created in His image included our earhly body, our humaness…which is not only spirit but soul (mind will and emotions) and it is that part that needs the written word. Now, to dispute whether it is God”s word or mans is something that will only be proved by accepting it by faith the same way we accept christ. Faith first. We learn who christ was by the word and then mix with faith…and we are born again. If you haven’t done that…either by the method God gave us in his mercy (the word to guide us) or by revelation of the spirit that you say you walk by, your spirit remains dead to God because of sin. accepting Christ as the only sacrifice for sin makes your spirit alive again to God as it was before sin entered the world. I know by the spirit of God that God desires what you describe…but the way to get there is by His design, not mans.

          • Robert E. Hampton

            Thank you.

          • Mitchell Davis

            It’s so much easier to pray than to actually do something, isn’t it?

          • Mitchell Davis

            And this is entertaining for me: you are praying in public, which Jesus EXPLICITLY forbids (Matthew 6:1-8).

            Congratulations: you’re so much a jackass, that even if your religion is real, you’ve locked yourself out of heaven.

          • KidLeopard .

            There’s a sucker born again every minute. Nothing, absolutely NOTHING fails like prayer.

          • ldmiv

            then you don’t understand why people pray if you think it fails.

          • ili

            I know you do not believe in God or in the Bible…however, I would ask that you seek to understand the passages that you cite and use to support your arguments. If you studied them you would understand that they are not at all helpful to your line of reasoning. I’m sorry that your experience with Christians has been/is so awful and I hope that someday you will meet someone who is able to explain their beliefs to you (if you care to know the truth of what Christians believe).

          • Mitchell Davis

            ” I’m sorry that your experience with Christians has been/is so awful and I hope that someday you will meet someone who is able to explain their beliefs to you (if you care to know the truth of what Christians believe).”

            My experience with Christians has been the common experience of those that can think the least bit critically. The reason I am no longer a Christian is that I read the Bible- that you act like I don’t know what they mean is either intentional deceit or you’re simply pretending to know anything about the bible. I’ve never met a Christian that can beat me at Biblical trivia- and that’s more telling of your religion than of my knowledge of it.

            If you actually cared the least bit about me (or anyone, really), you’d present evidence for your beliefs. Instead, you spit out the rehearsed holier-than-thou, you pretend you care only to feel high and mighty, and you assume that my position has come about because I’m a dumbass sheeple that bases his decisions on the actions and attitudes of people.

          • Pamela Boykin

            Wow! Your anger is so obvious. Just for the sake of your health, you may want to check that. You are generalizing Christians from what seems to be a bad experience. The problem is Mitchell, Christians still sin and make big mistakes. No one on this earth will ever be perfect. We do not have the capacity to be good. So forgive the people that hurt you and learn to love even us. Bitterness will leave you with health problems, it is like a cancer. Do not let it rule your heart.

          • Mitchell Davis

            “Just for the sake of your health, you may want to check that.” Anger does nothing bad for health.
            “You are generalizing Christians from what seems to be a bad experience.” Wrong.
            “We do not have the capacity to be good.” So stop promoting homophobia, sexism, slavery, murder, rape, the notion of thought-crimes, etc. and prove it.
            “Bitterness will leave you with health problems, it is like a cancer.” You are lying again. Bitterness is not bad for health.
            “Do not let it rule your heart.” The heart pumps blood; the brain deals with emotions.

            If you want to prove your god exists, then prove it. If you have the potential for good, do something good. You could start by stopping promoting a genocidal myth.

            If your god is real, he is evil. Not that he is- not once has any evidence for the existence of a deity been put fourth, especially by people on this thread. You figure with all the millions of Christians in the world, you’d have managed to get a modicum of evidence for your god. Instead, you create institutions that ostracize and beat and rape and kill those that dissent.

          • LaVerne Haslett

            The brainwashing you received…probably in college is the lie, not the bible, not Jesus Christ. the deception satan perpetrates to keep people from the truth is the lie.

          • Mitchell Davis

            ” the deception satan perpetrates to keep people from the truth is the lie.”

            https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q71/1382877_686934291317340_1573824951_n.jpg

          • Jimmy

            I think you misunderstand how science works, science has never proven anything, it has just failed to disprove. I challenge you to disprove the theory that their is a supernatural deity in this universe

          • Mitchell Davis

            Asking someone to disprove something you have not demonstrated is called ‘shifting the burden of proof’. It’s a logical fallacy that’s so obvious it was first recognized over two thousand years ago.

          • Jimmy

            You can’t disprove the theory of a supernatural deity. Nobody can say for sure that there is one, but no one can also say for sure that there isn’t one. That is all I am trying to tell you.

          • Mitchell Davis

            You’re right! And you can’t disprove unicorns, fairies, dragons, or bigfoot, but that doesn’t make their existence more likely. If you have no evidence provide for your deity, then there is no reason to believe it exists. Stop trying to shift the burden of proof like a misguided four year-old: either provide proof, or do the intellectually honest thing and admit that your belief is unfounded.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Still waiting for you to provide any proof that emotions are bad for health, or that your god exists.

          • LaVerne Haslett

            Creation alone proves God exists. A baby being born proves God exists. The human eye alone proves God exists. The proof you are looking for is a lie of the devil, perpetrated by the progressive movement “that faith can’t be proved, therefore it is not true.” The closer to God I get the more I see Him…in everything. My 7 yr old grandson said it best “I don’t know why people say where is God.” In a sweeping motion he says “He is everywhere.” He has more wisdom in his 7 yr old heart that the most educated idiot in the world. This is why Jesus said “Let the little children come unto me for such is the kingdom of God.” they are simple, their faith is….they believe.

          • Mitchell Davis

            “Creation alone proves God exists.” That’s a claim; now, provide evidence.
            “A baby being born proves God exists.” Ditto.
            “The human eye alone proves God exists.” Ditto, and only if god has no fucking idea how to make a well-functioning eye. What’s more, why the fuck would an all-knowing anything put the information processing center on one end of the system, and the inputs on the other end altogether?

            What’s more, god fucked up with wisdom teeth and the appendix.

          • deanna smith

            this is the argument from ignorance fallacy.

          • Jimmy

            Answered the God question above, but as far as health goes here is an article from US news and world report. I know it is old and that it is second-hand info, but if you really want to know you can do the research yourself

          • Mitchell Davis

            “Answered the God question above,” No you didn’t, as I pointed out.

            Thank you for demonstrating you ignorance by using a magazine article instead of evidence- yes, instead of. If this article is based on actual studies, link to them instead. Don’t you know anything about citation?

          • Jimmy

            I have no reason to believe US News would misreport information because I believe they are a generally well respected magazine, however I could be wrong. I personally have done the research in the past, however I don’t have time in my life to do it all over again for you. I already acknowledged that this was not the most credible evidence. If you would really like to know what science says on the matter you can do your own research

          • Mitchell Davis
          • Conservative NOT Racist

            And the lies keep pouring out. You, little boy, are a terrible liar. Try the truth. And stop lying about what you supposedly know. You don’t know anything. You extrapolate from poor childhood experiences where you were probably abused by a person who you associated with Christianity and have held deep inner insecurities resulting in you becoming a pathological liar incapable of accepting that there are things he knows nothing about. Like religion. Just because you’ve memorized portions of the Bible does not make you an expert at anything. It DOES make you a huge fake. And a liberal atheistic troll. Buh bye. And as we say in the south, “bless your heart.”

          • Mitchell Davis

            I didn’t say I was an expert: that would be you, lying. However, I have a brain that functions at about an average level. My career is devoted to understanding language, so I have that, too. “You extrapolate from poor childhood experiences where you were probably abused by a person who you associated with Christianity” Again, you’re just making stuff up. You are also evidently unaware of what the term ‘pathological liar’ actually means, and your ability to put words in my mouth and call me a liar for pointing out logical inconsistencies is a demonstration of cognitive dissonance.

            You appear to want to believe what you believe so much that you will forsake even the most basic logic and humanity- you are the perfect example of the average religious person. One should not have to talk to a person like a child to convince them they are wrong about something they don’t even have evidence for, and as you are particularly void of humanity compared to the religious I normally deal with, I won’t even bother.

            You persist in a delusion that you do not question. I cannot force anyone to think critically and those that have forsaken critical thinking cannot be convinced by it. And, those that think critically don’t need people to point out their ignorances for them. If you start to give a shit about what is true, check back. Until then, scream and lie to your dopamine level’s content.

          • Asher Smith

            You said that your career is devoted to understanding language? A thought for you is symbolic thought necessary in either quantity or quality to join the linguistic community?

          • Hannah Clement

            I am very curious to know what you believe in then. You appear to dislike Christians a lot for their beliefs even though the Bible is one of the oldest and most credible books ever written. “We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty” (2 Peter 1:16). Look at this article http://etoddfisher.com/?p=341. The author talks about how the books written around the time the Bible was written.Many historians and scholars have investigated the validity of the Bible, “The civilisations of Assyria and Babylonia lay forgotten for centuries, recorded only in the Bible and in Greek myths. Many scholars assumed that they were fictitious until 19th century archaeologists dug up the palaces at Nineveh, Babylon and elsewhere, uncovering inscriptions, statues and even libraries, with many exact details of the biblical record being confirmed” (Pickerings and Saunders, http://www.bethinking.org/bible-jesus/introductory/isnt-the-bible-full-of-errors.htm). Also, if the Bible was just made up, why would anyone want to write all the things in it? Why would they challenge the religious leaders of that day? wouldn’t they for sure been killed for “heresy” and defying them? wouldn’t the Bible have been destroyed and never copied or believed if just one or a couple people decided to make it all up? Don’t you think people back then wouldve looked it to the real facts of it? People back then would want proof of it just as much as you do, since they lived back then, they would know if it’s real or not. Therefore, the Bible is very credible. here is another quote from the bethinking.org page,”The Dead Sea Scrolls are a fascinating witness to the authenticity of the OT text. Prior to their discovery in 1947, the oldest complete OT texts dated from around AD 900. The Dead Sea Scrolls date to around a century or so before the time of Christ and include many OT manuscripts. The book of Isaiah was found amongst the scrolls and ‘proved to be word for word identical with our standard Hebrew Bible in more than 95 percent of the text. ” there are people just like you who want to know the validity of Christianity and they have found it. I hope this helps. Seriously, let me know what you believe, I want to understand. Thanks!

          • Mitchell Davis

            I’m not going to repeat myself again, or answer any of you’re questions, until you answer the questions I asked hours ago.

          • Hannah Clement

            I am sorry, but what were the questions you asked hours ago?I cant seem to find it. I will gladly answer them, because I want to understand how you have your morals

          • Mitchell Davis

            Sigh… Since god orders that you murder all non-believers, will you take me to the edge of town and stone me to death, as ordered by Him? If you say no, you have morals, but you are acting in opposition to your god. If you say yes, you have no morals and are mindlessly following your god.

            Do you have morals, or not?

          • Mitchell Davis

            Sigh… Since god orders that you murder all non-believers, will you take me to the edge of town and stone me to death, as ordered by Him? If you say no, you have morals, but you are acting in opposition to your god. If you say yes, you have no morals and are mindlessly following your god.

            Do you have morals, or not?

            Also, what evidence for god do you have? Not claims from a book (argument form experience = fallacy), actual, peer-reviewed, demonstrable evidence.

          • Hannah Clement

            maybe you would like to look at this? http://www.nytimes.com/books/01/02/04/reviews/010204.04triblet.html Even in the Bible, the authors challange the reader to valiadate what they are telling them, “Test all things; hold fast what is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21) and “For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty” (2 Peter 1:16). to get to your other question,I have morals. But that is because God has given me a moral code. I am curious to know how you got your morals, for instance, why do you think murder is bad?If morals are just what each person determines for himself, then murder can be good for one person and bad for another. There is either a moral code set by a god, or a moral code set by each individual.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Are you even going to try and answer my questions?

            “Even in the Bible, the authors challange the reader to valiadate what they are telling them,” Not in earnest, no. For example: according to Genesis, god somehow creates days before the sun. This is impossible. What’s worse, god somehow creates fucking plants BEFORE THEIR SOURCE OF FOOD EXISTS, which means the food chain would COLLAPSE and there would be no life on planet earth. What’s more, the bible says the earth is flat, and that it the sun goes around IT.

            Is good good because god says so, or does god relay what is good? If god only relays what is good, the god is irrelevant. If good is good because god says so, then your moral compass is inferior to the person that tries to think for themselves and consider what others want.

            I can guess why you will not answer my first question (will you attempt to kill me, because god has ordered you to): your morals tell you not to kill, but god orders, in no uncertain terms, you to murder me. Your moral compass is already inferior to your infanticidal deities’.

            How can god be moral if he created evil (and according to the Isaiah, he did)? The answer of someone that is thinking is: he cannot be moral.

            And you have once again failed to respond to the two questions from hours ago.

          • Hannah Clement

            First of all, the Hebrew word for evil, “rah,” is used in many different ways in the Bible. In the KJV Bible it occurs 663 times. 431 times it is translated as “evil.” The other 232 times it is translated as “wicked,” “bad,” “hurt,” “harm,” “ill,” “sorrow,” “mischief,” “displeased,” “adversity,” “affliction,” “trouble,” “calamity,” “grievous,” “misery,” and “trouble.” So we can see that the word does not require that it be translated as “evil.” This is why different Bibles translate this verse differently. It is translated as “calamity” by the NASB and NKJV; “disaster” by the NIV; and “woe” by the RSV.
            Second, the context of the verse is speaking of natural phenomena.
            “I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these,” (Isaiah 45:5-7).
            Notice that the context of the verse is dealing with who God is, that it is God who speaks of natural phenomena (sun, light, dark), and it is God who is able to cause “well-being” as well as “calamity.” Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc. This is consistent with other scriptures. For example,
            “And the Lord said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?” (Exodus 4:11).
            “Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?” (Amos 3:6).

            You argument on the moral compass makes no sense because you just said my moral compass is inferior to yours. your argument says that If you can make your moral compass, than I can make my own.s
            God determines what is good.

          • Mitchell Davis

            It’s really a bad idea to try to lie to a linguist about language. Why don’t you stop parroting Answers in Genesis and actually think?

            If god determines what is good, then kill me now. Will you now attempt to seek out and murder me as your god has ordered? One word answer, yes or no. If you can’t manage to answer this question, I cannot hold the conversation any longer. You have demonstrated that you do not care to be intellectually honest or even answer my days-old request for evidence, which you should be overjoyed to provide if you have any real reason to believe in your god.

          • Hannah Clement

            also, I realize that I cannot physically prove that God exists, i am sorry. Yes, I do believe He does, if you want to judge me and call me names, then go right on ahead. However, I look at this world and how intricately designed and incredible everything is and I see that something mustve created it all, I mean, like how could people just randomly be made without something to create them? The odds are sooo very slim that even a single cell could be made by chance that it takes more faith to believe that God doesn’t exist than it does take to believe He does. I challenge you to read “The Reason for God” by Tim Keller, it is a very good book. If you have any suggestions for me, I am open to them. It’s just after all my life and experiences, faith in God is more reasonable than to not have faith in Him.

          • LaVerne Haslett

            Critical thinking philosophy would have you create a god in your image. In other words, whatever you perceive of god according to your own thinking…that is god. Well, man is not supreme and no matter how hard you try, you are not going to change one simple fact. You were created in the image of God. And He is about faith first. He operates that way Himself…and you are created in His image. So nothing else works. Faith is what pleases God. when you accept by faith…understanding, proof as you call it, comes. You want to humble yourself before God, you’ll find the truth. If you don’t want to, you join the ranks of satan…against God. Those are the only two choices. Satan will attempt to keep you blind to the truth…but grace is greater. God will lead you to Himself…because He seeks you, loves you and won’t give up.

          • Mitchell Davis

            “Critical thinking philosophy…” That’s not a thing. Critical thinking can be applied to philosophy, sue, but you’re not doing that at all.

            “Well, man is not supreme and no matter how hard you try, you are not going to change one simple fact. You were created in the image of God.”

            If it’s a fact, then you have proof.

            I’m done with this bullshit game. Anyone that wants to engage in a discussion promoting their deity must provide logically sound and scientifically confirmed evidence for their deity- I am no longer willing to try to reason with the people in this thread that have forsaken reason. There is no point. Either provide evidence (not claims) or I have no reason to take your ramblings any more seriously than the babble of toddlers.

          • Jimmy

            In the first part of your post you are also using a fallacy known as an either/or or black/white fallacy

          • Mitchell Davis

            No, it is a true dichotomy. Just because this dichotomy is uncomfortable for you, does not change the fact that it is an accurate one.

          • Jimmy

            You state two possibilities and claim that they are the only options. However, there are other options. Ex. There is actually a God and he decides what is moral and immoral.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Well, that could factor in, but I take care to omit logical impossibilities and inconsistencies and fallacies and parodoxes (morality by fiat, for example). Dolt.

          • LaVerne Haslett

            Jesus never said to murder anyone.. Quite the opposite. He said not to..even to the extent that he said if you have hate in your heart it is the same as murder.

          • MShowerhead

            A lot of people cite Jesus as the reason that they hate homosexuals. At the same time, many radical Islamics cite the Koran for reasons that they have to kill infidels. No God would would tell his/her creations to kill/hate/prejudice against another one of his/her creations. We would all be made the same if that were true.

            I may not agree with your religion or beliefs, but I respect that you have them and I respect your right to your faith. If you want to discuss this idea, then please respond by sharing YOUR thoughts. Any response that includes quotes from the Bible or calls to an intangible, higher power to dispute or enforce my simple, organic observations, will be ignored and I will not further engage in conversation with you.

          • Clk

            Where in the bible does it say to kill non-believers?

          • Mitchell Davis

            2 Chronicles 15:12-13, Exodus 22:20, among dozens of places.

          • Clk

            2 Chronicles 15:12-13: 12 And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, 13 but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

            This does not tell us to murder those that do not believe! This states that those that do not believe will NOT LIVE ON after death. In the Christian community we believe in LIFE after death, and those that do not, receive DEATH after DEATH. Only evil can twist such verse to allow murder. I have MORALS that allow me to see the true meaning. We live by a Commandment to NOT KILL, yet God tells us to kill? So God states “Thou shall not kill” and if you do, you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven, then in another case tells us to kill? LMFAO! As I said EVIL can manipulate the words to suit their needs………

            Exodus 22:20: 20 “Whoever sacrifices to any god, other than the Lord alone, shall be devoted to destruction.[a]

            Now you are clearly scrapping the barrel for this one! SACRIFICE, sacrifice WHAT? Time, money,beast? Devoted to DESTRUCTION. Destruction of WHAT? Faith, morals, integrity, life? As I said before EVIL can twist words/sentences to suit their needs/agenda. I would keep these “opinions” to yourself, would not want to world to see you a fool……..

          • Mitchell Davis

            Sigh… Since god orders that you murder all non-believers, will you take me to the edge of town and stone me to death, as ordered by Him? If you say no, you have morals, but you are acting in opposition to your god. If you say yes, you have no morals and are mindlessly following your god.

            Do you have morals, or not?

            Also, what evidence for god do you have? Not claims from a book (argument form experience = fallacy), actual, peer-reviewed, demonstrable evidence.

          • Jimmy

            I am a believer but you’re argument that it lasted this long must be proof that it is real is a very weak argument. Other religions have lasted far longer that does not necessarily mean they are true

          • Mitchell Davis
          • LaVerne Haslett

            I knew it…You are a victim of critical thinking. You and millions. this is why our nation is in such a mess. About two years ago I began to get revelation from God about critical thinking and what it has done to America. It isn’t critical thinking that is a lie…it is the philosopy of those behind it that took it and indoctrinated America’s youth with an agenda that has America in bondage today much as a cult would do to an individual. You were systematically fed an agenda aware to you. You listened to teachers “guide” your thinking to a lie. You think you use your mind, think critically, no you do not. You basically don’t think at all….except within the box the progressivemovement made for you. Wikipedia defined critical thinking as “markist philosophy adapted to fit the 20th centurty”. this is what the definition was when I began to research. Now it has been changed. wonder why that is?? Anytime they have a “code word” and people begin to catch on, they change it. Now we have Common Core…good example. more of the same programming under a new name. Wake up my friend, before it is too late. Think ciritically about the very lie that you have bought into.

          • Jimmy

            probably shouldn’t be using wikipedia for serious research

          • MShowerhead

            You reject education and the idea of independent thinking. It’s not that people reject the idea of faith and a higher power, it’s that people like you (those who speak in religious rhetoric) come across as ignorant, single minded, and not present in reality. Heck, sort of like ‘a cult would do to an individual’.

            What… did I just quote you?

            See what I did there?

            #boomgoesthedynamite

          • Jimmy

            I am a christian, and you shame me. Jesus would never talk this way to anyone so why are you?

          • Conservative NOT Racist

            Shut up. If you think by hiding in your hole and doing nothing is worth a damn thing, you have sorely missed the whole point of Jesus and his life. You, sir, are a hypocrite. You do NOTHING for yourself but beg for God to intervene constantly to make things easier on you. God helps those who help themselves. Something that any conservative knows beyond a shadow of a doubt, while fakes and liberals think that everyone should help them for no reason whatsoever other than that’s what they want.

            Go read the Bible without your blinders. You’ll find many instances where God has intervened, but because someone didn’t do their OWN part, it still fell through. Stop whining, stop soft peddling and start acting like our founding fathers, who knew when the fight had to be taken to the enemy.

          • Jimmy

            I am not hiding, in a hole or anywhere else. I am not doing nothing. I am most definitely a hypocrite as is everyone (especially Christians) who has ever walked this earth. Once again I am not doing nothing for myself. I actually have difficulty praying and rarely pray at all unless it is to ask God to let me spend one more day with the woman I love. I can’t remember the verse in the Bible that it says “God helps those who help themselves”, do you mind posting a reference. I do remember some passages where it talks about Jesus dying for those who could not help themselves.

          • Asher Smith

            Mitchell, the Bible says to correct the fool in his foolishness least you be drawn down in his foolish ways. It also says do not correct the fool in his foolishness least you be drawn down in his foolish ways. Why do you think I would bring that up?

            Consider Mitchell, you did say someone “pretends to care,” I am curious did I miss something or is there a reason that you have knowledge of his motivations or is it an informed guess (assumption). Because you then continue in the same sentence to criticize someone based their assumption of you ;)

            Yeah, lets say you are right, what are some good points about Christians and Christianity?

          • LaVerne Haslett

            What you do want evidence for?

          • MShowerhead

            A pleasant experience with a Christian would be less talking about beliefs and religion, and more about sports, the weather, or anything else that’s a real, tangible event. It’s not the religion that makes these experiences awful, it’s the constant need to preach religion. I respect your right to believe whatever you’d like. That respect should be reciprocated, not disputed. *By you, I don’t mean you specifically. Out of all of the religious comments in this conversation, I found yours to be the least offensive.

            To quote George Carlin, “Thou shalt try really really hard not to kill somebody, and keep thy religion to thyself.”

          • Asher Smith

            He does? I think that is a very narrow interpretation of that scripture. I tend to think it is a little pejorative, do you?

          • Mitchell Davis

            I’ll believe that prayer works if you can prove that just ONE amputee has prayed for, and subsequently received, restoration of the lost limb by non-scientific means.

            I’ll give you a response only if you can manage that. If you cannot, then you are wrong. If you don’t find proof and cannot admit you are wrong, then that is proof that you do not care about the voracity of your beliefs.

          • LaVerne Haslett

            First, there is proof of people receiving limbs, cancers disappearing, teeth being filled and all kinds of miracles. Second, even if you saw a miracle it won’t make you believe. I’ve seen people discount every miracle, justify it somehow…untill they put faith to what they see. Miracles alone will not “prove” anything to you. Which is the same with everything. we can give answers for everything you ask and you will still not believe….until you mix faith with what you hear. The bible says when you believe in your heart you are justified before God…and when you proclaim with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” you are saved. May I suggest that you believe in your heart….but your head is very messed up. You can overcome that by declaring with your mouth that Jesus is the son of God, that he died for your sins and he rose again giving you eternal life. Scripture says we overcome by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony. In other words, it is the blood where the power is to accomplish everything we need…and it is our testimony, the words of our mouth mixed with that that overcomes all.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Just SAYING there is proof doesn’t demonstrate you are correct. This is not kindergarten: when you make a claim, you back it up or you get laughed at and discovered for the sham you are.

            All together now! https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q71/1382877_686934291317340_1573824951_n.jpg

          • deanna smith

            bullshit.

          • Asher Smith

            Is this the scope of prayer?

          • LaVerne Haslett

            Jesus didn’t forbid praying in public….only portraying the self righteousness of praying in public. Paul said to pray unceasingly…how you going to do that without praying in public. we should look to God in all our ways, acknowleding Him in everything. If we pray, we are asking His blessing on whatever we’re doing. that would include public meetings, etc.

          • deanna smith

            so your a follower of paul and not jesus then?

          • Denae Ayers

            I am sorry Mitchell, but you are, like many who attempt to use scripture in arguments/debates, taking that verse out of context. Lcuvillier was simply praying for you. There is a difference in what Matthew 6:1-8 is talking about praying to be noticed, doing deeds to be noticed “look at me, look at me” and what lcuvillier did. If you are going to quote scripture in a debate, you might want to have some level of contextual understanding- especially if you are going to “congratulate” someone on “locking them self out of heaven.

          • Mitchell Davis

            If you’re going to lie to me about the Bible, then you should learn to lie better.

            Same goes to you as above: if there is any confirmed, demonstrable, logically sound evidence for your claims of a deity, provide it. Else, you might as well ask me to believe in unicorns or big foot or Allah or anything else that is accepted without reason.

          • Douglas Anderson
          • Robert E. Hampton

            Mr. Davis,
            Sorry to say but it’s clear to me that you have not opened the pages of the Bible. God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are all the same. One entity. God is not evil, since He voluntarily “crucified/sacrificed” Himself on the cross. He gave us the cross, as a symbol of His unconditional love towards the ones who declare Him as their Savior. I agree with one of your statements, that men are evil ” there is none righteous,no, not one – Romans 4:10. However, with His love comes forgiveness for sins that we commit daily. Men like darkness more than light, because their deeds are evil. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God – John 3:21. Grace and peace be with you.

          • Nastasyana

            Do you really beileve all that?….. great stories, allegories, parables to guide the morality of collaborating within a society for the good of all. jesus had to have been a socialist.

          • Jimmy

            No, he has never forced anyone to do anything

          • Mitchell Davis

            So, you’ve never read the bible. God hardens hearts all the fucking time, according to it. What’s more, god intentionally slaughtered thousands of little boys in Egypt HIMSELF, according to the bible. There is no metaphorical interpretation of that.

            If that god exists, it’s evil. End of story.

          • Jimmy

            I was replying to the comment where it said Jesus was a socialist. A socialist would take people’s money and redistribute it. Jesus never took money from anyone, he only asked people to help their neighbors. Also you introduce another logical fallacy known as a red herring into the discussion

          • Mitchell Davis

            Another claim about a fallacy where there is none. You really have no fucking idea what these are, do you? Point to the fallacy and explain why it’s a fallacy, if there is one.

          • Jimmy

            The fallacy is “What’s more, god intentionally slaughtered thousands of little boys in Egypt HIMSELF, according to the bible. There is no metaphorical interpretation of that.” That statement has nothing to do with the comment from Nastasyana or my reply to her. The definition of a red herring fallacy is the informal fallacy of presenting an argument that may or may not be logically valid, but fails nonetheless to address the issue in question.

          • Mitchell Davis

            “but fails nonetheless to address the issue in question.” Only if the intent is to address that issue, and not another one. Good job, dullard.

          • Jimmy

            The fallacy is still a fallacy whether you meant to commit it or not. I suspect you knew what you were doing but hoped I was too stupid to realize it

          • Mitchell Davis

            “The fallacy is still a fallacy whether you meant to commit it or not.” A fallacy is a fallacy irrespective of it’s intended use as a fallacy, but the criteria for a Red Herring demands that it be irrelevant to the issue under discussion- it wasn’t, because we are discussing more than one thing. If you’d like to ignore it out of convenience, fine, but logic does not bend to your convenience.

          • Asher Smith

            Jesus didn’t have or take money? Seems one would follow the other.

          • Asher Smith

            Indeed God does, why? And then the context and relevance of the New Testament?

          • Mitchell Davis

            To ACTIONS in the OT? None. It doesn’t suddenly become moral because the deity murders his kid- that makes the deity worse, not better. If god was subjected to it’s own rules, it would go to hell.

          • deanna smith

            and you’ve never read marx.

          • Asher Smith

            So if Jesus was a socialist, and you were a Christian would you be a socialist?

          • Mitchell Davis

            “Look ma! I can spew lie and make unevidenced claims all day long with no mental effort!”

            You’re a dumbass.

          • deanna smith

            cognitive dissonance… look it up.

          • Hannah Clement

            So you are saying that God created the government and its system??? If I understand my history books correctly, it was man who created it….so doesn’t that make man evil and not God?

          • Mitchell Davis

            I’m not religious- how do people not get that? That I can accurately quote from the Bible (Christians cannot) is a good demonstration that I’m not religious. You should actually read what I’ve been saying instead of automatically assuming Biblical quotations = Bible Thumper.

          • Stacie Ermis

            Hmmm, sounds a lot like you are describing our liberal president and his liberal ways. You want a God that takes care of you and makes people do good and helps everyone who is in need (ACA/Welfare), even if they are the only ones that put themselves in that situation, or they could not afford education because of how the laws force universities to go up and up in price.

            God is great because he lets people live their lives and not control everything in this world. There is no one to blame for the pain and suffering of human kind, than human kind itself. And those that criticize others faith and beliefs are just as evil as how they see others faiths and beliefs. YOU are unkind, YOU are judgmental, YOU are what causes evil and corruption. MIND YOURSELF, and stop pointing fingers at the people who believe in a faith that is based on love and forgiveness.

            And don’t come back with some quotes from the bible. Anyone who takes the bible at face value is naive to think that it hasn’t been changed to reflect the beliefs of popes and priests thousands of years ago. The bible should be a guide, not a manual.

          • Mitchell Davis

            You’re telling me people made themselves be born to impoverished parents? Parents with genetically inherited disabilities? That is not love you are spouting, it is bigoted hatred for the poor to make yourself feel superior.

            ” Anyone who takes the bible at face value is naive to think that it hasn’t been changed to reflect the beliefs of popes and priests thousands of years ago.” I don’t take it at face value, I’m an atheist, DUH. You take parts of it at face value, and ignore other parts. If the Bible has been modified, then god must have changed his mind, no? If god changed his mind, it means he’s not omniscient.

            I am judgmental! If you think there’s something wrong with being judgmental, and not with certain judgments, then YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING- being judgmental simply means being quick to judge, and to judge is to make a decision about something. If you have no opinions, if you do not judge, you hold no beliefs or opinions at all. Is that true? No. Yet another demonstration of ignorance.

            “And those that criticize others faith and beliefs are just as evil as how they see others faiths and beliefs.” Really? You’re telling me it’s somehow bad to criticize evils? You think that it’s evil to criticize Hitler? Stalin? You think it’s evil to think about beliefs you don’t agree with? That would make everyone that thinks about something they don’t agree with, evil. That would prevent people form changing their minds. You’re saying this because you can’t handle a simple burden of proof. Logic goes like this: “I think X; look, here’s the proof.” What you’re doing is this: “I think X; if you disagree with me, you’re evil, and I don’t have to provide evidence for my beliefs- they get a special exemption from logic because… Just because.”

            What’s more, the comment is infinitely recursive: you are judging me and criticizing my beliefs and statements that were critical of your beliefs and statements. It is not logical. If you do not care to be logical, it means that you do not care to be accurate. If you don’t care to be accurate, then by definition, you are a person that does not care if their beliefs are true.

            ” faith that is based on love and forgiveness.” Christianity is based on the throffer of eternal torture or bliss, made by an mob boss that is responsible for all evil in the world (if he exists). If he does not have the power to do anything to change the world, then he is not responsible. If he has the power and does not act, the he is, be definition, the creator and perpetuator of evil.

            If this is the god you believe in, then you are indeed following a religion of love- a religion of love of all things evil.

            If your religion was true, then y’all wouldn’t have had the need to murder and rape and torture those that question it for thousands of years to avoid people questioning your beliefs: you would discard the practice of indoctrination and teach your children to constantly question everything, and how to operate logically, because that is how you find the facts. If your god was real, there would be some tangible evidence for it. To avoid forcing yourself to come to terms with the fact that there is no evidence for your god, you have decided to play this game instead of being the least bit intellectually honest.

          • Stacie Ermis

            You’re are taking what any of the Christian people are saying to you and spinning it to support your obvious obsession with evil. I’m not going to sit here and go back and forth with you on this, but again I will remind: MAN is the one responsible for evil/torture/rape… if man has done this in the name of any belief, it is because of his own ignorance and hostility, not because “God/God’s” told him to, or made him do it. God did not write the bible. MAN did. And so no, I am not going to obey to things that are clearly written by ancient priests. My context of Judgmental was mean to be as in Criticism. Don’t criticism others for have a faith. Judge all you want, but don’t criticize what you can’t/won’t understand. Man is ignorant and it yes, it is a shame and extremely unfortunate… But this is not the will of whatever God, anyone chooses to believe in.

          • Asher Smith

            Humans have the capacity to perform the evil of Hitler and Stalin – Me and You.

          • Jerry L.

            “You figure with all the millions of Christians in the world, you’d have managed to get a modicum of evidence for your god” — Christianity is a way of life. If you’re looking for evidence, look at how these people live their lives and compare it to how the much, much lesser atheists in the world live theirs. Language is supposedly the BRIDGE between religion and science, if Language is your expertise, I wonder why you’re wasting time in that field seeing how poorly you’re applying its purpose. Christians are HAPPIER than atheists (http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/28/christians-happier-than-atheists-at-least-on-twitter/) and happy individuals make happy societies. I honestly wouldn’t want to live in a society where more of you are in it.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Christians actually aren’t happier than atheists (nice try with the debunked study) and happiness is irrelevant to truth.

            Truth comes by way of proof, and for proof: https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q71/1382877_686934291317340_1573824951_n.jpg

          • Pamela Boykin

            Mitchell,

            We are all evil… you too… God murdered His sinless and pure Son so that we could have redemption through Him. He provided a way for everyone that chooses Him to come to Him. God originally created a perfect world. It was through sin that it became corrupt. It was mankind that destroyed it. Besides God is smarter than you think… He gave you a free will to not choose Him, otherwise if He did make mankind to choose Him, he would be a cosmic rapist and be forcing His will on all of mankind. He’s given you the option to deny Him and His existence if you so choose. And when your life ends, you will not have the option to change your mind. He’s calling all of us to trust Him. I wouldn’t want to live in a world that didn’t have a creator… I’m glad to know I did not come from some primordial soup. He even knows the number of the hairs on our heads… he gathers our tears when we weep. He is near us when we are brokenhearted. He is a rescuer, a strong tower, a very present help in the time of trouble. He lifts our heads when we cannot. He give hope to the hopeless and he will judge the unrighteous. He loves you Mitchell and He would love it if you sought out the truth.

            May God reveal Himself to you in a real way,
            Blessings.

          • martin

            “God murdered his sinless and pure son so that we could have redemption” – So god sinned, something he can’t do, to save you from your sin. It all makes sense now.

          • Asher Smith

            Your answers are very finite. Do you know what hell is? Do Christians? It doesn’t seem to be a very nice place either way.

            Mitchell Davis, God murdered his own son? Or did Jesus choose to make a sacrifice for the love of all. You can choose your answer as you wish but you cannot use the Bible to support that.

            What is God’s moral system that you talk of? You do not seem to be presenting a Christian perspective.

            Question for you to think on, would a perfect system require freewill and if so what are the consequences of that?

          • Alan
          • lcuvillier

            One day, you will know the truth, and I pray that you see it before you take your last breath. I don’t believe these lies that you posted, I believe the Word of God. My trust is in Him who died for me. Both of us cannot be right. If you are right and we die and go into the ground, then neither one of us will care. If I’m right, you have a whole lot more to be concerned about. I will choose to believe in Jesus Christ, not out of fear, but out of love, because He first loved us to die for us…

          • Nastasyana

            Please, knock it off. We are talking about the U.S. not religion. Do not bring your christian sharia into this discussion. That has been an excuse to allow the wealthy to take over this country and contradict all the so called “christian values” that they propose to support. it is the religious nuts who are manipulating people into believing that there is a division based on values and not a division based on class, race and wealth.

          • Scott Lowe

            Please don’t tell us what to believe or think. Your God is an opinion… nothing more.

          • ldmiv

            He has used His power….He created you and me. What are you doing to stop the pain and suffering. It sounds like you are blaming a God for your lack of action. God is not responsible for your actions. The God I serve is love, wrath, and just in His judgement of both. Learn about Him.

          • Mitchell Davis

            If he is wrath, then god is a sinner. If he is love, then why does he allow murder? If he created everythingknowing what would happen, he is responsible for the consequences.

            Attacking my character only goes to show how completely uncertain you are that your god exists. Anyone that ACTUALLY knows something, is not only able to demonstrate that thing, but also willing. If you are unwilling to demonstrate that your god exists, there is no reason to think it does. If you are unable, then you don’t know if it does.

          • ldmiv

            His wrath is just. I understand if you find that hard to believe or accept. And in no way am I attacking your character, I don’t know you.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Is it just because god defines justice, or is god simply an advocate for justice?

          • Onewrecked Sole

            Mr. Davis; I have observed this thread as an outsider, and noticed that you seek evidence for a Creator. I am not trying to butt in, but thought I’d take a few swings from ya… el oh el.
            What sort of evidence are you demanding?
            You appeal to Universal abstracts, such as logic, justice, morality, evil, etc…. yet, how in your view as an atheist – and by extension, a Materialist, or Evolutionary Naturalist, would you agree? – is the existence of such Universals coherent with…matter? I would posit their existence, and alas, your awareness of them!, as quite consistent with the paradigm of a Created Order, where Man is made in the Imago Dei.
            Besides, the evidence for the Crucifixion, and subsequent empty tomb, are among the most supported historical events known of ancient man. That you refuse this doesn’t change the history…

          • Mitchell Davis

            Just because a thing is consistent with your idea does not mean it is evidence of it. Universal constants are demonstrations of the universe making sense, and not else unless otherwise demonstrated.

            “Besides, the evidence for the Crucifixion, and subsequent empty tomb, are among the most supported historical events known of ancient man.”

            That statement is how I know you aren’t a historian, and the post is how I can tell you don’t care about logic. The gospels are four CONFLICTING accounts of Jesus’ life that are mutually exclusive. They are posthumously named, and are at BEST written seventy years after his death.

            You have the CLAIM of the Crucifixion and the empty tomb- four conflicting claims that were at best fourth-hand accounts.

            Historians, including many biblical scholars that are also historians, tend not to accept the biblical evidence as historical evidence- except for Christians. Telling, isn’t it, that the only people in remotely scientific fields to vouch for religions are the religious?

            I am demanding the basic evidence that would be used for any other claim of any other thing that exists [not that it COULD exist (which is what you were arguing above) but that it DOES exist].

            The conversational divergences are sufficiently summarized below:

            Claimant: “Thing X exists, and has properties/characteristics A, B, C.”
            Logical person: “What proof have you?”
            >Illogical claimant: *utilizes logical fallacy, subversion of burden of proof, etc* ( = *fails to provide evidence*)
            >>Logical person: “Points Q, E are fallacious; I have no reason to believe thing X exists.”
            >Logical Claimant: *provides confirmed evidence*
            >>Logical person: “Okay, thing X exists.”
            >Logical Claimant: *accidentally provides faulty evidence*
            >>Logical person: “Points U, D are fallacious; I have no reason to believe thing X exists.”
            >>>Logical Claimant: “Oops. You are correct.”

            This is essentially a purely logical argument, utilized as a component of the scientific method.

          • Mitchell Davis

            I don’t accept it because you want me to believe it without giving a reason: do you think I’ll mindlessly repeat whatever you say, just because you’re saying it? Is it just because god defines justice, or is god simply an advocate for justice?

            If God simply relays what is good to us, he is absolutely irrelevant. If good is good simply because he says so, then morality is not constant. That, and you’re doing the Nazi>Hitler thing: following a murderous zealot and believing everything he says and that is positively said about him for absolutely no reason.

            Also, you said, “And in no way am I attacking your character, I don’t know you.” only, you’re lying because you’re following a book that says that I am evil, and that you should kill me because I deserve it, and then I’ll spend the rest of eternity being tortured. Infinite punishment for finite crimes is by definition infinitely immoral, and therefore anyone that institutes that system or advocates for it is also infinitely immoral.

            You’d rather sycophantically regurgitate the hate-mongering of a thing that you can’t demonstrate exists, than actually give a shit about the human race- how evil is that?

          • ldmiv

            Let me first say this; there is probable nothing I’m going to say that you haven’t heard before, and in no way can I or will I say you NEED to believe what I’m telling you. You are free to make that choice. Just consider what I’m telling you and think about it.
            You don’t accept for the same reasons everyone else doesn’t accept, including myself many years ago. But what REASON do you want? what kind of PROOF are you looking for? I’m not gonna give you proof, I don’t have to, it’s all around you.
            God does not define justice, God IS justice. Good is good because it is, just like 2+2=4 because it does.
            You are not evil. You (and I) are capable of doing evil things, and we do them every day. You don’t deserve death, you (like everyone else) deserve separation from the Creator. Yet He made is possible to be with Him…you know the story.
            It just seems that you don’t understand that your crimes (and mine as well) are not finite. They are in opposition to the purity that is God.
            The human mind can’t wrap their minds around the idea of God (the ones who seek proof). Draw a circle, and continuously cut it in half. How many times can you do that? Infinite, yet we can see the finite space in which it is contained. There are things in known existence we can’t understand, what makes you think that the human brain can understand everything?

          • Mitchell Davis

            Well, there you go. If you cannot define god, then you cannot prove god logically, which means you’re just making stuff up, or copying someone that’s made stuff up.

            If you don’t understand what ‘type’ of evidence I need, then you don’t understand how a logical demonstration of existence works.

            “Good is good because it is, just like 2+2=4 because it does.” Digging yourself deeper and deeper into the whole of the label ‘I do not understand kindergarten logic’. 2+2=4 for a reason. 2 is the quantity two because we labeled the concept with the symbol, the same goes for four. Four is by definition the double of two. You’ve yet to define god, save ‘god is good’. You have failed to give evidence for god being good. Woo. This really isn’t hard: define your god, then demonstrate how the characteristics you’ve outlined not only can but MUST be true.

          • ldmiv

            The logic you are looking for is right in front of you. You want God defined? Something tells me you’ve heard it all before and I real feel like it’d be wasting your time and mine.
            And by your “lack of evidence” for God I would assume that you also don’t believe in Julius Caesar, or Aristotle…due to the same lack of proof.
            Learn about Jesus and you’ll know how to define God. I can’t tell you what it is, it’s an experience. It’s faith, something we all have…just not the same kind or in the same things.
            Good luck to you.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Lol. There is actual evidence for Caesar and Aristotle. There are numerous, both first and secondhand contemporary accounts of Caesar and Aristotle.

            Since you’ve yet to provide and evidence for your god, I’ll assume none exists. If you have evidence, provide it. If you wanted people to believe in god, if you didn’t want them to go to hell, then you would care about the truth, and proving it to people.

            ‘Thing X exists. The evidence is that I said so.’- that’s what you’re doing. That’s illogical. It’s worse than childish, because it’s a blatant attempt at cheating logic.

            If you do or have ever cared about what is accurate, or if you’ve ever cared about people, then prove this thing instead of just making claims about it.

          • ldmiv

            You cannot prove Caesar anymore than I can prove God.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Then you’re saying that your god does not acct upon the real world, or, that he only did in ancient history. We can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Caeser did exist- if you want to prove that Jesus or god existed, provide multiple, non-conflicting, then-contemporary first-hand accounts of Jesus activities, and then demonstrate that his violations of physics are possible. If your god exists and does things (answers prayers, works miracles, has children, etc) than the affects of such actions can be measured.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Then you’re saying that your god does not acct upon the real world, or, that he only did in ancient history. We can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Caesar did exist- if you want to prove that Jesus or god existed, provide multiple, non-conflicting, then-contemporary first-hand accounts of Jesus activities, and then demonstrate that his violations of physics are possible. If your god exists and does things (answers prayers, works miracles, has children, etc) than the affects of such actions can be measured.

            If you can’t provide evidence for god, you’re admitting that there is no reason to believe it exists. You are admitting this is a farcical thing you believe in.

          • Hannah Clement

            Just as there is actual evidence of Ceasar and Aristotle, there is evidence of Jesus. Thousand upon thousands of people saw Him live, die, and resurrect.

          • Stacie Ermis

            please demonstrate the theory of the Big Bang and how life began. If you are so knowing and smarter than people of faith. Thanks.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Yay! You’ve created a dichotomy(if you’re wrong we’re right)! That simply isn’t the case. You’ve now seen this without giving your reason for believing in god, which means you’re in violation of 1 Peter 3:15. But, you’re also talking about your religion publicly, which means you’re ignoring Jesus’ statements in multiple gospels, which means you’re a heretic, which means you’re going to your own hell.

            You know the best reason for knowing more about the religions of murderous sycophants than they themselves do? You understand that they are full of shit, and boy do I love being accurate. Not thought to be accurate, actually accurate.

          • Stacie Ermis

            Thank you for cutting down how I choose to live my life and how I choose to celebrate my faith! Again, I don’t obey the bible like it’s some kind of cult guide. All I know is my God, is a God of love and forgiveness and I live my life by spreading love and doing my best to be a good person. Any non over the top, religious nut job would agree with me that Humans will NEVER be perfect, but to at least have faith and love in your life is the best we can do.

            Whether I go to heaven or hell, is not my concern. My concern is how I spend my days on this earth. Stop using the bible, which you don’t believe in to cut down others for having a faith that you can’t accept.

            Peace and love be with you.

          • Mitchell Davis

            “All I know is my God, is a God of love and forgiveness and I live my life by spreading love and doing my best to be a good person.” No you don’t. If you know that your god existed, you would care to prove it. If you can’t, then you don’t.

            “Whether I go to heaven or hell, is not my concern.” Okay, then you don’t care if your god is good, either. Again, you’re just making shit up.

            And no shit I can’t accept faith: faith is by definition belief without or in spite of evidence, which means that you are believing in something whether or not it is true or real. You can’t say you know, and then use faith as your only evidence in the same paragraph if you want to be taken seriously. Tip: never admit you’re lying if you want to convince someone of the lie, especially not to their face.

          • Asher Smith

            I am not God’s God.

            I question on reflection for you Mitchell is why do you do you ask these questions?

          • yeager

            Mitchell, I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but its true. You spin everything you can, thats a sign of something you are hiding, are not wanting to face. You state that if anyone knows something, they are able to show proof! Thats not true in so many ways Mitchell. If I see a tree fall in the woods, I know its real! But if I am only one there how can i prove to you I saw the tree fall? What you are disagreeing with and getting so wound up about is basically the same way you are acting. Evil is Evil! Plain and simple! God is an evil person, I see people die that has no reason to be taken off this earth, but it happens. God doesnt control every aspect of what happens here. God set it up for us to learn and grown on.

            That being said, I have my doubts on a lot of the religious / Bible stuff as well. But I do know I read the Bible daily and every day I learn something knew. You stated you could beat anyone here on Bible trivia, yet turned around when you became offended and said you never said you were perfect, well, no one else did either.. Correct? isnt that a contradiction? A lie? See, I dont think it was a lie, it was a slight mistake, which we all make daily.. It doesnt mean everyone is evil and lying at all times.

            You are a very well spoken person, and I know how you operate. You feed, you thrive, you live off debate, and turning what people say around on them. Thats a lie as well, thats a conradiction to the person you try so hard to make people believe you are. When in reality you are a scared individual, staring at the screen right now waiting for someone to post something you can disect and quote with your spin-filled quotes you have had saved and ready for use for no telling how long.

            Debate is something thats needed, without it we have nothing. But for you to keep slamming religious people and calling them liars is much worse than what these people choose to believe to be happy in life. Move on with your life, be happy.

            Have a good day

          • Mitchell Davis

            I’m not unhappy with my life. Lying about me doesn’t help your case (nice try with the lack of specificity- anyone that’s the least bit a critical thinker understands that vagueness is one of the best signs of a charlatan), pretending you know something about me doesn’t help your case either, especially when you’re lying to my face. (Seriously, how do you expect to convince someone of what you’re saying if the person you’re lying about is the person you’re lying to?)

            If you give a shit about whether or not your beliefs are true, PROVIDE SOME EVIDENCE FOR THEM. It’s the only thing I’ve asked for for years on end from you lunatics and never once have any of you provided any sound evidence for your deity. Why is that? Why can’t you just be a little intellectually honest? Why must you attempt to cheat every conversation? Why are you so illogical? Why do you resort to logical fallacies in every statement? Why are you so stupid as to be convinced by arguments from experience? Why are you incapable of providing evidence? Why are you a sycophant to a doctrine of morality-by fiat? Why are you incapable of understanding basic standards of evidence? Why are you unable to understand history? Why don’t you care about being accurate? Why don’t you care bout telling the truth? Why?

          • Hannah Clement

            @disqus_aZCxFL76GE:disqus You are proof that God is real. :) this world is proof that God is real. if you want written proof, then the Bible gives that to you. Thousands of people saw Christ do miracles and resurrect from the dead and then ascend into heaven. What more proof do you want? Ask and I will try my best to show it to you.

          • Mitchell Davis

            No, it is claimed that hundreds of people saw Christs miracles. It is also claimed in the Koran that thousands saw Mohammed’s miracles. Both books contain claims, not proof. Each of the gospels contradicts with the other three. All of the gospels were written at least seventy years after Jesus’ supposed death and were at best 3rd-hand accounts.

            This demonstrates that you either have a level of understanding of logic below a kindergartener’s capacity, or that you’re a troll. Either way, I cannot help you- no one can (at least, not with logic. Once you’ve forsaken logic, it is impossible for another to use logic to to make you understand you are wrong because you don’t care about it.). If you ever decide to care about having a moral compass, or to care about your beliefs being accurate, let me know.

          • Hannah Clement

            I would appreciate if you wouldn’t be so rude, I am not trying to be rude to you. What kind of proof are you talking about then? If thousands of people all complying they witnessed something isn’t proof, then what is? honest question.

          • Mitchell Davis

            You don’t have thousands of people saying they witnessed the same thing, you have four anonymous people saying that OTHER people witnessed something before the writers were born. If you take this standard as acceptable, you must convert to Islam and still remain Christian. You’re arbitrarily picking Christianity over all other religions with the same level of proof.

            What’s more, if god ever actually did anything to anything in the real world, the effects would be quantifiable and demonstrable. Can you point to a peer-reviewed research document that demonstrates such an occurrence?

          • Hannah Clement

            http://carm.org/manuscript-evidence. thats one that compares it to other writings of its time. here is an excerpt from

            The Historical Reliability of the Gospels, Craig L. Blomberg http://www.4truth.net/fourtruthpbbible.aspx?pageid=8589952775

          • Mitchell Davis

            Neither of these articles are evidence. Evidently you have no fucking idea what the peer-review system is or how it operates. What’s more, if you reference the source to prove itself you are employing a >logical fallacycircular reasoning<. You're doing the same thing all the major religions do: my religion is true because my religious text says that the claims in the same text are accurate. By definition, the claims of proof of claims are CLAIMS, and not evidence for the claims.

          • Hannah Clement

            I sorry, i honestly don’t really know how to find a peer reviewed article on the internet :O and I completely agree with the circular reasoning, it is logical fallacy. I just thought the article on the other documents was what you meant by demonstable. my bad. Just food for thought though, since the Bible is made up of many authors, since each authors story validates the other ones, wouldn’t that count as it is more likely to be true? I would like to give you evidence, but I don’t know how to get the evidence you want? Do you want a book that says the Bible is true? or what kind of evidence. So far I just have found a whole lot of people who say that the Bible is most likely true because of all the other artifacts they have found that validates it…… sorry i cant be more of help :/

          • Mitchell Davis
          • Pamela Boykin

            God did not create evil nor is He evil… He is incapable of being evil. Because of one’s man’s sin entered the world, and death is the result of sin, all have sinned and come short of the the magnificent glory of the only one true God. He did, however create the potential for evil by giving man the free will to not choose Him therefore, when man does sin, it is a denial of trust in God and an attempt to become his own god. When that takes place, mankind distorts what is holy and right, therefore those who don’t understand God or His principles are easy to point the finger at a God they don’t understand.. Your statement very clearly exudes the lack of knowledge concerning God’s character and holiness. So in conclusion, if you want to be angry at someone, be angry at your own human nature… not you, nor I am good nor will we ever be outside of the redemption given through Christ. It sounds to me that you are perhaps angry at God because you have no other answer for the evil in the world. Perhaps you have suffered injustice or tragedy and therefore the only reasonable answer is to blame the Almighty, because after all, He created this world and is ultimately responsible for it… which too is a misconception about the nature of God. Read the bible if you truly want answers about the evil in the world… be sure to interpret it with other passages in the bible. There’s no harm in educating yourself about God and how he truly responds to mankind.

            Blaming God for pain and suffering is a lazy way out and allows you to the liberty to be justified in your own mind. Knowledge is power and when truth is revealed, life gets easier with which to deal.

          • Mitchell Davis

            ” Your statement very clearly exudes the lack of knowledge concerning God’s character and holiness.” No, I understand you fictitious deity’s nature. You label god as holy, even though you believe he endorses slavery, (Eph, Deut, etc) torture (Hell), rape (entire OT) he is a murderer (Passover, the Flood, and ultimately responsible for all other death)- but you love the evil that is your god anyway.

            ” He created this world and is ultimately responsible for it…” That is you, admitting that god not just allows, but created evil. If god created everything and knows everything, he knows how not to create evil. So, either he does not exist, or he deliberately created evil, and therefore is evil (and he did create evil; you’ve evidently never read Isaiah).

            Take note: saying to read the bible to learn about god is like telling someone to read Spider Man comics to learn about Spider Man. Spider Man comics claim Spider Man exists; the bible claims god exists. You have offered no proof that your god exists, ONLY claims. Anyone that cannot offer proof, doesn’t actually know what they’re talking about; either offer proof, or there is no reason to believe anything you say.

          • Steven Robinson

            So Mitchell Davis, If God doesn’t stop all the pain and suffering, give EVERYBODY all the “happy pills” they want and basically help everyone be lazy screw-ups: then he is a fake? Your brain is clearly a fake.

          • Mitchell Davis

            “Your brain is clearly a fake.” You’re an idiot. If I’m a human with a working brain, it is not fake. That you’re this stupid ties in quite well with your inability to understand clear logical fallacies.

            If god doesn’t stop all evil occurrences, and he has the power to do so effortlessly, then he is evil by definition.

            I’m curios as to how you think god isn’t a lazy screw-up, but you think people born into poverty, or those with serious medical disorders, or victims of crimes or assaults, are lazy screw-ups.

          • Sean Dávila

            Mr. Davis, I apologize on behalf of any of my fellow Christians here who have resorted to ad hominem attacks against you. You say you don’t believe in God because you haven’t seen any empirical proof of His existence, which you have every right to say and think, just as I have a right to believe in Him. If you feel that makes me a bad person, so be it. I just wish I could tell everyone to leave you alone and let you think and believe as you will. If you want to know more about why I believe in God, I could try to explain it to you. Otherwise, you have a nice night, and best of luck to you.

          • Asher Smith

            God choose to give us freewill. A consequence of this is that we have the ability to choose to do right or wrong. A question here for me is to create or not create.

            Also, one of the purposes of life is to learn to love the unlovely. Not because it makes us feel good, but because we appreciate their beauty irrespective of their utility value. It is our character that is refined through this.

          • Mitchell Davis

            More claims without any evidence.

            I’m really getting tired of this childish horse shit. If anyone has ANY evidence for their deity, present it. Without evidence, you may as well be believing in the tooth fairy or santa.

          • Asher Smith

            Your evidence on the subject is what? Please remember the original conversation. But I shall paste here for focus.

            God choose to give us freewill. A consequence of this is that we have the ability to choose to do right or wrong. A question here for me is to create or not create.

            Also, one of the purposes of life is to learn to love the unlovely. Not because it makes us feel good, but because we appreciate their beauty irrespective of their utility value. It is our character that is refined through this.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Did you understand what I said? Copy/pasting your own words is not evidence, dolt.

          • Asher Smith

            I understand what you said, did you understand what I said? If you choose to respond to the meaning intended originally, please refrain from using qualitative language in future.

            Dolt = why the ad hom? Can you not be respectful or civil or are you attempting to demonstrating your vision of how you think the world could and should be?

            Oh please provide evidence for your basic assumptions.

          • LaVerne Haslett

            Evil is responsible for the pain and suffering. Jesus came to save the world,, not condemn it. God protects anyone that trusts in Him. Man is his own worst enemy because we agree embrace evil instead of God.

          • KidLeopard .

            Oh yeah, belief in bullsh*t is real useful to get us out of man-made problems. Where’s your christ during tsunamis, earthquakes, kids dying of cancer? Oh right, he works in mysterious ways! Always The Big Excuse. Where was god on 9.11? On his coffee break? On holiday in the Bahamas? Or maybe he was on the side of the perpetrators since they said they were acting in his name – and THEY succeeded. meanwhile, I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for your supernatural savior.

          • Lois Payette

            Amazing how a video that allows for conversation on how to change the political situation has disintegrated into a comedy hour about religion! What ever happened to the original subject of the comedy of errors between the two most powerful political powers and the money backing them that have gotten our country into this disgraceful situation? This is just an indication of what else is wrong with our country. If it can’t be resolved by grown ups without blame, shame and name calling, it must be solved by God. Ridiculous!

          • deanna smith

            absolutely true, and while i’ve thoroughly enjoyed the trouncing that the religious have been suffering in this debate… i would have preferred a more on topic discussion as well.

          • Hannah Clement

            God didn’t fly a plane into the two towers. People did. Stop blaming it on God. Man is responsible for his own actions.

          • Stacie Ermis

            People need to learn the hard way. God can’t save us from every sin man makes because then no one would care to have morals. God will fix all our mistakes!

            Sound familiar?

            I can’t believe that no one understands this concept -_-

          • Muriel Baxly

            Oh yeah? When’s that happening?

            …Didn’t think so.

          • txsaint

            That is the most dangerous thinking of all, the idea that we can’t do anything about anything but somehow everything will be OK. It’s dangerous to think that we have no control over war, that we have no control over climate change, that we have no control over our nation’s finances., that one day Jesus will come and all will be OK. What if you have it wrong? What if Jesus’ resurrection was a figurative one – and not a literal one – like many Biblical scholars believe? What if we are on our own? We better start caring and taking care of business soon.

          • Holy Spirit

            Yeah im sure Jesus will set the financial markets straight…he has a PhD. in economics from Cambridge you didn’t know that did you?

          • Jesus

            An imaginary Hero will not come rescue you from corruption. Politics is a lame excuse to feed money into 5 families and religion is a sad excuse to form bi-est opinions on people or groups of people and in barbaric situations even kill people. politics and religion… The downfall of humanity.

          • varrie29

            And how exactly will Christ sort it out ???????????

          • janis shouse

            amen ,, he sure is coming sooner than people think , thank god too

          • Raphaël Peter

            OMG this guy comes with christ now. Any other brilliant Idea?

          • Rhonda MacKinnon

            AMEN and AMEN!!! PRAISE GOD!!

          • http://www.buellreview.com/ D Buell

            The point of the video is there is plenty of blame on both sides to go around. The point of my post is it seems to be Ok if your a Democrat, but bad if your Republican proving again you are either part of the solution or the problem. And yes, George Soros is one of the richest men in the world, far richer than the Koch brothers!

          • Asher Smith

            Yes, but people looking after their backyard are fine.

          • Larry

            you are a ass

          • janis shouse

            it is all of the people that has been in office for more than 8 years, we need term limit

          • http://robzie.wordpress.com/ Rob Zaleski

            You. YOU get it. Perfect.

          • Shane Johnson

            Ideological dumbasses! Stop watching Fox and MSNBC, research and learn the truth!

          • Leonidcat

            Thanks – it’s about division for these people. It’s not about the country, it’s about spoiled children calling names, insulting and mouthing crap they hear from the biased media.

            The rant of this reporter was correct – totally correct and yet people sit here and try and place blame so their views won’t have to be turned upside down.

          • deanna smith

            its hilarious to watch at times isnt it? me… i just sit on my rooftop and fiddle while the whole world burns.

          • ilisius

            George Soros having 10 times the Koch brothers’ money? Are you serious?
            Soros: 23 billion dollars. Charles & David Koch: 45.6 billion dollars.

          • Cold Ropes

            According to Forbes the Koch brothers together have 72 billion and Soros has 20 Billion.

          • Mike

            Trillions? I’d love to see where you’re getting your numbers from.

            Also, what is your argument regarding politicians’ net worth? If anything, one would suspect that a poorer legislator would be more incentivized to accept bribes or donations from sketchy sources.

          • ana prodani

            Really, we’re going to agrue over which side is bought more? All Americans regarless of party should be outraged. Doesn’t it anger you that our government has been bought? We are just pawns.

          • checkyourfacts

            According to Forbes, the Koch brothers are worth at least $31B EACH, while Soros is a mere $22B (But he is the richest hedge fund manager).

            http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/morning_call/2013/03/koch-brothers-land-at-no-6-on-forbes.html

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/kerenblankfeld/2011/09/21/forbes-400-billionaire-george-soros-cracks-into-the-top-ten/

          • Tim Anderson

            D Buell…Your figures are fiction. The Koch brothers are together worth 55 billion, George Soros is worth 20 billion. The top ten members of Congress are actually split 5 – 5 on top wealth. Do yourself a favor and read this. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/how-the-kochs-and-their-f_b_4040698.html?utm_hp_ref=politics The richest people doing the most to keep a plutocracy going on here are the Koch brothers.

          • Geckocat

            …not only Soros money but Saudi money too… corrupting.

          • disqus_irCdmAu8It

            The Democrats dont want to hear about Soros. Since his Spanish-owned company that now controls our electoral vote computing systems, they are happy.

          • martin

            Your line of reasoning is part of the problem he’s railing against. You, like every other simple minded american, always go back to the us versus them. Stop. Just stop. It’s both. It’s both, get that into your thick skull. Both parties want to steal from you, both are bought and paid for, so stop trying to ride that train that one isn’t so bad while the other is vile.

          • I hate pundits.

            Use Google and find out you are wrong on every point.

          • Delane Cunningham

            George Soros never ever went to the extreme lingths of the Koch Brothers and their five faux conservative groups.

          • David Ewers

            First George Soros is worth 22B the Koch Brothers are worth 68B, so your first statement is a blantant lie. Now you talk about the money given to the democrats is even close to the 200M just since the election that Koch has funneled into its SuperPacs, so again you lie. Now about the trillions sent to democrats on green energy, when did this happen, I will tell you never.

            Now lets see, the democrats want to help the common man, can you tell me since the time of Nixon, one bill that a GOP congress has passed to help the average middle class citizen. Again none, nada zip, zilch.

            You are the typical Sarah Palin Tea party liar, no facts just absolute rhetoric. Go back in your single wide and be quist

          • Sally Gentry

            I don’t care if there is a D or R in front of their name….WAKE UP!!! They act a certain way in front of people…but are all in bed together behind closed doors….When will people quit fighting each other, and go after the ones who ARE responsible???? geeze……smh

          • Clint Notestine

            um he has 20 billion… Charles Koch has around 35 billion and his brother david has the same so 70 billion is more than 20 billion even if you use GOP math.

          • Eli Redeker

            WRONG. The Koch brothers each have an estimated 34 billion dollar net worth. George Soros has less than 20 billion. 68 million buys a helluva lot of politicians, which is what Charles and David have done.

          • Sokr8ez

            The Koch brother inherited their money from their father. Their father made his money from Josef Stalin. Look it up. Republicans are doomed, so are Democrats.

          • Phil

            You are dead on but the brain dead can’t see the forest for the trees.

        • disqus_aLE3eXMetz

          The senate is more so. There are more liberals there.

        • larry burdge

          Aren’t you leaving out another party? Or do you only see a certain party getting in the other’s way? Look in the mirror and you will see the real problem. The truth can set you free,,,,,, if you let it.

        • disqus_irCdmAu8It

          You are sowhacked out, you shouldnt be allowed access to public life, in all forms.

        • Steve Wilt

          lol they have all sold out get real

        • jecsl

          have not figured out why liberals hate the Koch brothers???? can you tell me why????

        • dnhook

          Koch brothers? LOL! Your president has been bought and paid for by the banks, insurance companies and unions.

          http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/30/company-with-1-2-billion-obamacare-contract-under-investigation-for-serious-fraud/

        • Sokr8ez

          The Koch brother inherited their money from their father. Their father made his money from Josef Stalin. Look it up. Republicans are doomed.

        • Leonidcat

          What’s with Koch Brothers? Isn’t George Soros the one that spent the most getting Obama elected? I would much rather have the Koch brothers around, who run the largest privately held corporation in the US and provide jobs for millions, than have Soros even be in this country. Soros is the person that tried to bring England down via currency manipulation and almost bankrupted the Bank of England causing millions of retirees and savers to loose their life savings.

          Stop believing crap and do some research. The John Birch Society has been around for years and years. They are conservative and for small FEDERAL government, less spending and getting corrupt out of government. So how come that is wrong?

      • Sue Anne Ward

        Hahahahahahahahahaha……idiot!!!!

      • Ephirius

        “the president has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything”

        Yeah. I bet.

        • Mitchell Davis

          He can’t make congress do anything- it’s impossible. He has neither the authority nor the ability. If he did, do you think they’d be draining $10billion out of the economy every week over an upgrade to the health care system- which wasn’t even prevented by the shutdown, due to how it was funded.

      • Colette Binkley

        Yep by George Soros

      • cjhutch

        He is right on the nose!! Hey, World Source-you one of those companies buying our government?? My guess is yes.

      • MikeJwF

        That’s what Democrats say when their guy is in office.

      • ana prodani

        Sadly, you are right.

      • warweary

        yeah yeah yeah he could say no

      • anthony

        I want him for president!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hands down…..

      • Clk

        The President has nothing to do with any of this? Other than the fact that he fights vehimately to keep spending and raising our debt limits, advances military actions overseas, strong arms all opposition with every power accessible, and divides wherever possible.

        He has more power and is more corrupt than you will ever know….

      • Larry Johnstone

        Yeah but he is the one who does their dirty deeds

      • Sally Gentry

        Sure..that’s why he is giving weapons to the terrorist organization that his brother who is a full blown jihad runs right? Who is also high up in the Sudan gov….He is somewhat of a puppet…but it’s his own personal choice to HATE all of US, THE USA, and ALL WE STAND FOR….

      • Robert Boyd

        You just made his point.

      • Don’t be a Dick Morris

        He’s a Puppet of International Socialist business. Get it. Anti Capitalist, Anti American big businesses. Feeling the need to defend Obama as an innocent puppet, who hasn’t misled, used, and abused you is pathetic.

      • Linda Templeton

        WRONG! President Obama is our .Commander in Chief. He is our leader that does not lead because he has no respect from his peers. If he takes what is going on with banking, foreign trade, our debt without any ideas and actions to help. He just sits back and rejects everyone’s ideas without suggesting compromise. What a joke!

      • JustSaying

        Is that not the point he just made?? The President should cut the puppet strings, assume his responsibility, and tell the puppeteers to stick it in their bank accounts.

      • Steve Gordon

        And this is why we never should have done the bail outs. Further, until the lobbyists are taken out of the equation nothing will change.

      • deanna smith

        he could abolish the fed by executive order… but look what happened to the last two presidents that attempted to do so.

      • John Ullman

        Your right! This whole thing has been planed for quite some time! But Obama is a tool. You got to start some where. Conduct trials, tribunals,. Investigations. Take our country back! Or Freedom will die forever! We have to act now. That’s why we had Malitias. But the powers of be made them weak. Perhaps Obama is coop and our Government is under siege. And main stream Media has not been telling us the truth!.

    • Ms, Biz

      I hope Dylan felt a bit better after getting that weight off his chest. Sadly, what he speaks of is not happening to citizens of the the USA only. It is a global blight. It cannot be fixed by any one President alone.
      That said, banking and finance laws that protect the multitude of individual’s assets (the citizens’) result in more stable economies than those that allow profiteering, high debt ratios, and investment principle and other assets seizable by banks.
      Greed is the proverbial spanner in the works. Market forces cannot correct for greed, they are manipulated by it. Human beings invented money to make it easier to trade goods with each other, then commerce, financial institutions and the stock market. Money does not move around according to any Natural Law or Scientific principle; it moves according to where people put it, according to the laws we make as a society and the spending decisions we make as individuals.
      The laws we make are shaped by people we elect to represent us, too often we choose people who represent the needs of the captains of industry.

      “…And the men who hold high places, must be the ones to start; to mould a new reality, closer to the heart.” – Rush

      • SparkkyMcPuff

        Then we must take back control of the issue of currency.

      • Rich Bart

        it can be fixed. look at what iceland did. they put the bankster gangsters in jail. problem solved. they refused to pay the debt that was not their debt.

    • Clk

      So his entire point was that we need to trust Obama (the President) with cleaning up the corruption? The very President that recieved MILLIONS in overseas contributions each election, the same President that modified law to grant waivers to corporations and donors from a tax he shoves down everyone elses’ throats?

      LMFAO! Hey while we are at it, lets hand our nuclear arsenal to Iran and Russia! How about we let the bloods and Crypts run our prisons? Cartels run the ATF?

      This guy started to make sense, then remembered who bought HIM and then went right into rhetoric mode!

  • James

    I’d elect and join him in marching on this puppets in DC and send them back to their corporate masters. Let the Koch Brothers sell them food and water. The rest of us should tell every congressman, senator, lobbyist, and political hack that they aren’t welcome in our communities. Take over the drones from the Pentagon, and tell the pukes that they can leave in peace or leave in pieces ( hopefully, the former ), but leave they must. It’s time everybody gets angry and says no more of this nonsense. If the Supreme Court wants money in politics, then tell them to go form a country somewhere else. They aren’t welcome here. Money out of politics or politicians out of our country!

    • DivaDynamite

      James for President!!! :-)

      • Lee333

        No, be thankful this bloviating jerk has no program today. Style subtracting from substance.
        I didn’t think it was possible…..

    • robertdavidhummel

      Nov. 19.2013 Meet You @ Washington D.C. HOPE YOUR A VETERAN.

  • Tony Venuti

    Hmmm….tell me what you think..

  • Tony Venuti

    To all Self Loathing Whites…..= Liberals…

    I’m Sorry your dad didn’t love you….I’m sorry Liberal politics used this disappointment as an excuse for you NOT to RESPECT your PARENTS, your COMMUNITY, Law Enforcement…..the Constitution…and all else that is good…

    I’m sorry for your self loathing Azzz…

    http://youtu.be/KUwjNBjqR-c

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/tony-venuti/baby-boomers-unintended-consequences-squared-take-a-bow/10152303134831808

    http://jme.bmj.com/content/39/5/261.full?sid=825d1e82-c5a4-4018-85d4-9a3a0016fc6f

    Please check above link….wonderful synopsis on the POST BIRTH LIBERAL ABORTION….(my take) not the article…..SELF LOATHING…academically understood….via this article…
    from the link….
    Nonetheless, to bring up such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when the state economically provides for their care. On these grounds, the fact that a fetus has the potential to become a person who will have an (at least) acceptable life is no reason for prohibiting abortion. Therefore, we argue that, when circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible.

    • Alex

      With that logic, sperm has the ability to be a person and using birth control is murder. And your points are by default not accepted because you started your argument off with insults. Get over yourself.

      • Dee Leggett

        And you don’t see groups rallying against males masturbating.

    • bresson2

      Way to stay on topic, dumb-ass.

  • wrongheifer

    Tens of Trillions of Dollars… are being extracted…. TRUTH!

  • wsmith1213

    The problem is that our president is the biggest puppet in DC

    • Gracy Dreamscape

      That should be presidentssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

    • http://www.hotbutteredmedia.com bethmann

      He’s no more or less a puppet than the entire Congress. And the Supreme Courtn The whole system is corrupt. That was the point after all. They’re all bought.

    • TheFIsh

      He’s not a puppet, he has no strings.
      He’s merely an idiot in the wrong chair.
      Again.

    • Nick Mayor

      Really? And puppets have people who pull strings so tell us who is doing the pulling? Don’t bother.

      • wsmith1213

        George soros like you really had to ask

  • Maximus Max

    The man who proposed this would be dead by sundown.

    • Jason

      yep..

    • jmark59

      Ted Nugent? He said he’d be dead or in jail if the President was re-elected. So far he hasn’t made good on his promise.

  • Gary

    IT’S OBOZO’S FAULT!

    • suhurley

      Yeah! Everything was fine until February 2009! (Oh wait…)

      • Gordon

        Yeah! Everything’s gotta better since then! (Oh wait…)

        • davebaxter

          BETTER, yes.

        • suhurley

          Actually, things ARE better.

          • Joseph Trent Parent

            are you high?

          • Guest

            Well not NOW. (I was writing all that way last night. It’s GET-TO-WORK time!)

          • suhurley

            They’re better for me and a number of contemporaries FOR SURE.

  • pamdix

    How naive to think that Obama isn’t bought and a puppet, too. Congress needs term limits. Americans have no say so except at the ballot box and even that is corrupt. The whole of Washington, D.C. needs to be shoved into the Atlantic and started over.

    • jericho

      He didn’t exactly let Obama off the hook here, ya know.

    • Mitchell Davis

      We have term limits; they’re called ‘elections’.

      • SohnMan

        There is a problem Mitchell, many people vote because they see a D or an R, not because of what the person stands for. It is like a Spongebob episode where the Krusty Crabs is taken over by a Mega Corporation. The people are literally eating grey slime formed to look like patties, but do not realize it because they are caught up in the environment of the restaurant. Many people do not see the crap they are being fed, only the symbol they trust.

        • Mitchell Davis

          The problem quite simply isn’t that simple, but at least you’re trying.

        • Mike Schultz

          There is the problem right there! It’s not the R or the D screwing us right now, it is US! WE have spent the last 20+ years not bothering to do any research on a single politician WE vote for and just check the R or D. Every thing that is wrong with America is OUR fault! If WE spent as much time researching politicians as we do American Idol contestants, things might not be so bad! WE have become complacent, look at the new democracies emerging in the Middle East. These people are being told if they go vote they will be killed and so will their family, AND THEY STILL GO VOTE!!! WE won’t go vote if it is too hot or cold out, or if the line is too long, or any one of a million reasons we just don’t care about our political system. WE need to wake up, accept the blame, stop trying to pawn it off on the people WE don’t know a thing about, and vote out EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN OFFICE RIGHT NOW. Stop trying to fit in by calling yourself a Republican or Democrat (leave the labels to the politicians, not one of us agrees with a single party on every topic) and be an informed, individual thinker who researches who they are voting for and knows what they stand for.

          • Justin

            As I said above: Which is why ballots shouldn’t have any indication of party affiliation with a candidate on them and most certainly not an option to, with one check, vote a party line ticket.

          • Asher Smith

            Why research a politician … that would take time and effort ;)

        • William

          That is why I am a big R with a little L. Some Democrats are more libertarian than Republicans so I vote for them. Sadly for the most voting for the Libertarian Party candidate is a wasted vote.

          • Chris Chaney

            it’s only a wasted vote if you vote the lesser of two evils. i vote for whoever i feel best represents how i feel things should be run. if your libretarian let your voice be heard. if your liberal or conservative then vote that way. i hate obama but mcain didn’t seem any better. i voted bob barr and stand behind my vote.

        • Justin

          Which is why ballots shouldn’t have any indication of party affiliation with a candidate on them and most certainly not an option to, with one check, vote a party line ticket.

      • Bunne Rabb

        You misspelled “sock puppet theater”.

        • Mitchell Davis

          How well thought-out, clear, and concise that statement was. *Yawn*

      • Jennifer Marcus

        elections that are bought and FRAUD! . 2012 had fraud all over it!

        • Mitchell Davis

          Elections have money involved in them, but that doesn’t mean they’re bought.

          We have some major flaws in our electoral system: there are two dominant parties, we don’t use instant-runoff voting, money is a necessary component due to the structure of the system, gerrymandering potential has yet to be replaced by the shortest split-line method, and so on. This doesn’t mean they’re fraudulent, it means the game is rigged towards those that already possess power and wealth- which is part of the reason the two-party system still exists. It’s a cyclical stupidity, and it is perpetuated by both those that have sold their integrity and those that care not for it.

          Make a note: large-scale Presidential Election tampering has never taken place in the United States. That’s just you, either being racist or folding to Yellow Journalism and conspiracies, or both. By diverting attention from actual problems on to imaginary ones, you are “playing the part of the wool stocking,” as it were.

          • DC is Evil

            How would you know if tampering has taken place? I can assure you that voter fraud takes place. It may be as small as someone submitting an absentee ballot for their state of residence while also voting in person in the state they live in during the winter. But fraud is fraud, right? You can’t be “kinda pregnant”, you either are or you aren’t.

        • Mitchell Davis

          You know, voting down my comment, and NOT making a cogent rebuttal could hardly be a better indicator that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

          You will always remain ignorant if you do not care to be correct, or if you care more about exalting the speakers than the voracity of their statements.

      • Wayne

        Not exactly. Where the House has gerrymandered their districts, they are pretty much guaranteed their jobs for as long as they want them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bvckvs Sanders Kaufman

      You have the firepower and the manpower to make it happen.
      All you lack is the courage.

    • DivaDynamite

      Term limits are good, but once they’re out, we still pay them thanks to the fabulous program they designed for themselves.

    • John Huntington

      He’s saying what a responsible President should do, he knows Obama is bought

  • RedScourge

    Too had his proposed solution is to steal more money to create a bank that gives out even more unsustainably cheap credit, because up until that part this guy seemed like he had something there.

  • Starland sound

    Sayin obammy is powerful is just a *tad* of an oxymoron…

    At this point were being raped by a system put in place, bankers, politicians, and even obamster are all part of the problem.

    My suggestion is to start a massive defunding immediately, with a full defunding by April 15th. Forceful removal of everyone in office, cancelation of all debts just like that foreign country recently did… let the bankers choke on their failed greed.

    This guy may be the only person ive ever seen on msnbc that i agree with. Of course getting the communist in chief to play that tune hes calling for is a PIPE DREAM.

  • Michelle

    Amazing guy….or at least daring enough to not give a crap that he could be assassinated now pretty easily. He is right. The president of the United States is the antichrist.

  • Michael Huck

    The only flaw in his plan is he wants the president who has an administration full of lobbyists, after promising he’d have no lobbyists, make a speech about too much money in politics. Huh!

    • TheFIsh

      An Obama promise is a paper bag full of air.
      Does not matter how you look into it – it’s ALWAYS empty.

      • Sandra Middendorf

        the bag really is full of shit.

        • Sandra Middendorf

          I meant the paper bag is full of shit.

        • jmark59

          I know yours is. It smelled when you posted here.

          • saucetin

            The Venus of Middendorf! Er, Willendorf. No relation.

        • saucetin

          The Venus of Middendorf! Er, Willendorf. No relation.

      • Nick Mayor

        Really? Didn’t he promise a health care bill? Or were you asleep?

      • jmark59

        Just like your post, bagger.

  • Carol Broderick

    Hé is right

  • William Meador
    • Dolphieness

      Libertarians are no different. They tell you what you want to hear.

      • William Meador

        How so?

    • Yasmin Laupus

      Yuck no libertarians- no compassion in thei political philosophy . Ugly lot …

      • William Meador

        What do you mean?

  • Steven

    You do realize that he is telling you that a Chicago politician is your go to guy to get politicians out of the money problem. Obama is a Chicago politician and, therefore, a giant part of the problem this guy says we have.

    • Dee Berube

      WHAT… ??? you mean vote in a politician based on his performance and not his ability to debate or make a great speech!!! OMG what a concept. Many American Voters let the media tell them which politician to vote for… and the one with the most money and backing wins — not the one with the most success in keeping their state in the black. This guy knows BO is a joke… and that’s why he is challenging him to do it. He never said BO would, just that he should!.

  • Hal von Luebbert

    God, Ratigan, you don’t know how often I have felt like this, said all the same things. That I started years ago is the only difference. What will make you all wake up and learn some damned mathematics? Hunger, for one.

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  • epx4life

    obozo is bought too lmao

  • Ross Owen Brown

    I just wrote this to Obama.. via http://www.whitehouse.gov/engage
    Please share.

    Hello,

    My name is Ross and I am a 26 year old fiddle player from Austin TX.

    I just can’t take it anymore, how can we properly govern over this entire United States, and Millions of people, by letting every elected official get bribed by lobbyists and big business.

    The large corporations already brainwash the American public with advertising to buy useless things that no one needs, and food that literally kills them. All this does is inflate a wasteful economy that is definitely, proven, unsustainable. We are living in a giant ticking time bomb.

    I want you to “Be a Man.”

    A “Man” .. in every sense of the word.. Looks out for his family (America), if someone is cheating or stealing from them, a “Man” would get pissed off and alert his family (America) about what is going on.

    Hold a press conference. Be a Man. Tell it how it is. Let it all out. Make a “CHANGE” like you claim to.

    Put your life on the line, as president, and tell everyone, what’s really going on.

    Be the hero that this country needs.

    Sincerely,
    The Future

  • adrienne1959

    he is so right ,

  • Robbie R

    The US is in trouble because it is an economically unsustainable model. It was always bound to fail, at some point. Just about every other country is in the same boat. It’s not as simple as ‘bad economic policy’ or government mistakes, good government can only delay the inevitable.

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  • Rusty Martin King

    He like the rest of us is fed up with this crap. Get this idiot Obama out

  • casine

    The solution lies in Mark Levin’s “Liberty Amendments”; I doubt that any of the members on this panel will even know of the book.

  • Tom Crowley

    If only Ron Paul had won this is exactly what he has been saying for 20 years.

    • Dee Berube

      What about a Ron Paul and Ted Cruze ticket?

      • Lance Sanders

        Gore – Warren.

    • Yasmin Laupus

      Ron Paul is about only money . He is for the corporations to take over and own our lives. It is as dirty as the money and politics we have now. No thank you to Ron Paul, Rand Paul, hell no Ted Cruz please, Tea Party — too selfish and too full of nonsense…

      • Jay Smolko

        Total opposite. You obviously haven’t read his books. The corporations already own everything including our politicians and news. He wants to put an end to that and allow us to decide what to do with the money we earn instead of the fraudulent government.

        • Mitchell Davis

          So the rest of them are lying when they say they aren’t about money, but he’s given a special exclusion in your mind because?

  • Ted

    PLEASE! This clown is NOT a news anchor. He’s on a low rated cable tv talk show. He has no impact in the real world.

  • Hoplite Helot

    so you think just MAYBE the left and the right are controlled by the same FUCKING HAND!!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE, you are being RAPED, and EATEN by the PSYCHOPATHS that OWN and RUN this LIE of a country, we are under a CORPORATE GOVENMENT not the Constitutional Republic our not so recent ancestors fought and died for!

  • monicaricci

    TERM LIMITS. This change would IMMEDIATELY solve a multitude of evils in regard to a “bought Congress” that this dude speaks of. These Congresspeople on BOTH SIDES of the aisle FORGET WHO THEY WORK FOR once they get into office because they become self-interested and their biggest concern is retaining their seat and staying on the public tit for life. Their priority becomes retaining the perks of a government lifestyle and that sweet retirement and HEALTHCARE PACKAGE. Which by the way is NOT Obamacare in case you didn’t realize they’ve exempted themselves from, but it’s good enough for you and I. Yes, OUR TAXES pay their salaries, yet they don’t even live under the same laws we do. Nice.

    TERM LIMITS would prevent our “representatives” from becoming entrenched in their Congressional seats, being bought by lobbyists, and creating the most unholy of alliances to each other as well as to outside forces. Term limits would mean actual SERVICE to your country. You’d get INTO government, serve your country for a term or two and get the HELL OUT, get back into the private sector and earn a living again. This bullshit of spending your entire life suckling at the public tit and making decisions that benefit YOU over doing the right thing for the people of this country needs to STOP.

    • Dee Berube

      I agree… it would stop a lot of the BS of campaigning. Many of them are always campaigning and on vacation. HOWEVER that means they would have to vote themselves out of a career and a nice retirement system…. Totally agree with you. I would like to see them all get a six year run and then adios…. don’t quit your day job because you don’t get a retirement for serving just 6 years!!!.

      • Mike Schultz

        They wouldn’t need term limits if people would actually pay attention and do a little research. We as Americans are at fault for where the country is more than anyone in office. We allow crap politicians to stay in office as long as they want (16 currently serving congressmen have over 36 years in office) because we don’t take the time to do any research into politics or politicians. We go to the ballots (or don’t go at all in most cases) and just check R or D. We call ourselves republican or democrat so we can feel like we are part of a team (not one person in America agrees with the stance of a side on every topic, not even the politicians) and all it does is keep us too busy arguing to actually pay attention and see what is going on. In fact to make things easier we should make congressmen/women wear jumpsuits featuring their sponsors like NASCAR drivers.

  • Bill Rubin

    Mr. Ratigan isn’t incorrect in what ails America, but he is incorrect in his assumption that the President speaking to Americans directly will in some way change the ailment. President Obama could say 2 + 2 = 4 and a huge proportion of Americans would disagree with him and call him out for his liberal math. The GOP would attack his statements and try to cloud the issue. The Tea Party would say 2 + 2 = any number besides 4 in order to be opposed to the President, since they are motivated simply by racism and anti-government belligerence.

    Whether Mr. Ratigan wants to believe it or not, the reason the Democrats and Republicans can do so little about money in politics is because the American people are so bought by the money served. Were Americans not so uninformed, false attack ads would not work and would be used less. Were Americans not so partisan on the right side of the aisle, more conservatives would be better able to discern the truth of moderate Republican philosophies instead of accepting the falsehoods of the Tea Party. Instead, Americans are bought–hook, line, and sinker.

    AMERICANS are the problem. This is represented by our elected representatives. Yes, money in politics exacerbates the problem like crazy, but intelligence and education promptly prevent more reasonable people from buying into the distortions created by the same money in politics. Money in politics is all about advertising, and when the advertising stops working, the money stops being as impactful. PERIOD.

    • cindy

      If it was COMMON CORE math, he would say 2+2=5…and it would be ok as long as he had a story to go along with it.

    • Gordon

      ” since they are motivated simply by racism…” And with that, you prove yourself to be a ignorant fool. Were you lefties not so misinformed about what the Tea Party stands for and the solutions they advocate, then maybe you’d realize that the Tea Party a) doesn’t give a flying rat’s *** about the color of the President’s skin (the Tea Party movement began during Bush’s last regime, btw), and b) simply stands for a restoration of the original Constitution as the dominant force in law, not twisted around to justify any action the dear President seeks to take.

      The Tea Party stands for decentralizing power in all respects, politically, economically and culturally. Why? Because you are perfectly capable of taking care of yourself and making your own choices, for good or for bad. You don’t need the government mandating every action that you take. Yes, there are jerks in the country that have the ability to mess up your life, and part of the government’s job is to prosecute those people. However, if you decentralize power from Washington and return the power to determine one’s own destiny to individuals and the communities in which they live, you may not agree with every decision a person or community chooses to make (e.g. opposing gay marriage, keeping with the standard incandescent light bulbs), but you limit their ability to affect your life in a negative way.

      What we have right now is a system where a few jerks in Washington and New York can screw things up for everybody, and your side of the aisle thinks the solution to this is to further centralize power, when all you are doing is creating more powerful jerks. You buy into the line that because the Tea Party supports capitalism, that means they support all of the corporate jerks. You buy into the idea that because most members of the Tea Party oppose gay marriage, that means they want to control everything about your life. All the Tea Party is trying to do is get rid of the undue influence the political, banking and corporate masterminds are able inflict on this country and return the ability to craft one’s own life back to the individual.

      If the government would spend far more time prosecuting the bankers and far less time worrying about what kind of light bulb we use, we would be a lot better off. Furthermore, if you people would spend far more time learning about what the Tea Party ACTUALLY stands for, and far less time taking your lines from Jon Stewart, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, New York Times, etc., etc., etc., then maybe we could actually come together with solutions that would truly benefit and empower everyone, not just create more powerful jerks.

      • Bill Rubin

        “If the government would spend far more time prosecuting the bankers…” This is such a false claim, as the reason the government cannot prosecute banks and bankers MORE if because the laws that criminalize such fraud were weakened and watered down by the Republican Party–such that it is almost impossible to prove criminal intent under the standard set by the laws involved. You and Tea Party activists always make this claim and then completely ignore the fact that you and your party (and mine, too, despite my lack of current support) have been the chief player in continuing the charade of protecting banks and bankers and the complaining about them when it’s convenient or doesn’t play to your whims. Pure hypocrisy.

        You also claim that the Tea Party started under George W. Bush. That is technically correct, but the real accusations of economic abuse came only while Obama was President (and starting to lead in polls while George W. Bush was still President). The simple fact is that the Tea Party and its thinking were completely absent while George W. Bush and the white GOP were doing all the things they did for 8 years in taking us from surplus to deficit…taking us into 2 wars without paying for them, giving us tax breaks without paying for them, and giving us a Medicare prescription drug benefit without paying for it. NOT A WORD from the GOP rightwing conservatives when that was happening. ONLY when the economy started to tank completely and the government had to either bail out banks or risk a worldwide economic meltdown did some on the right begin to wonder. Suddenly, once Obama was elected, the government became the enemy for all people according to the Tea Party. Belief to the contrary might make you feel better,but it doesn’t make it accurate.

        Capitalism is fine. Wall Street exercised capitalism without regulation by government and you can see where that got us. The Great Depression in the 1930s. The Great Recession from the 2007-2010. You might not like regulation or government, but without it the free market doesn’t work fairly or equitably like you Tea Party ignoramuses like to pretend. You ignore the facts and history which CLEARLY show you are wrong, but you claim the progressives are the problem. Yeah…

        • Gordon

          As to your first paragraph, why do you think the Tea Party hates the Republican Party so much? We realize how much the Republicans say one thing and do another, and it’s only a matter of time before they finally tick us off so much that we bolt. It’s a side issue, but this whole recession began as nothing more than numbers on paper. There was nothing real about it until we sank $4 Trillion of debt into trying to “fix” it.

          The Tea Party didn’t start because of Obama; it started because of Bush’s policies that we got sick of holding our nose in supporting and because John McCain became the Republican nominee for President that year. We realized that we had no true representation, and so the Tea Party began. It could have been anybody on the Democrat side, and it wouldn’t have mattered a hill of beans. The color of his skin matters as much in terms of our opposition as what kind of shampoo he uses.

          The wars were a result of us being attacked, and, fine, we were apparently wrong about Iraq. The tax cuts benefitted everybody, as we are all seeing now that they have largely been eliminated, but the deficit rose because Bush and Congress spent like drunken sailors, which, had you been paying attention to what conservatives were actually saying, you would have heard all kinds of criticisms over it, ESPECIALLY regarding Medicare Prescription Drugs. It was also the Tea Party that was hounding Congress to not pass TARP or bailout the banks. And once Bush said, “We must abandon the free market in order to save it”, that is when we all realized that the government was full of enemies and that we had been duped by Bush.

          Your side is realizing it now in the form of Obama. You want to complain about two wars being fought on debt? What about everything that Obama’s doing? What about Obamacare? That’s fine if you’re still coming to terms with being duped. We both agree that there is a ruling class that screws us all over, and it doesn’t matter who started it because both sides are culpable, both sides had hands in starting it, both sides continued it. All Obama is doing is making it far worse than anybody before him. You want to complain about the debt? Look at the debt Obama has run up. Bush increased it plenty, but Obama has done nothing to bring it back down to Earth.
          If you hated Bush and like Obama, then you don’t get it. If you liked Bush all the way to the end and hate Obama, then you don’t get it. If you realize that Bush and Obama are essentially the same person in different suits with a different letter beside their name, then you get it.

          Believe me, we agree on far more than you would ever want to admit. You don’t know what the Tea Party stands for, and you justify your ignorance by claiming it’s all because “we dunt like that black man in the White House, derp-a-derp”. The free market worked just fine in 19th century, it worked just fine up until central banking took hold. Even then, it worked just fine in the 50s and 60, it worked just fine in the 80s and 90s, and it will work just fine again in the future. The free market works when it is allowed to. What’s going on now is fascism and crony capitalism, and that is what causes these maladies.

          • GodofHellfire

            Bill, Gordon’s right. I’ve wanted balanced budgets since 1964. I know if my budget is balanced, I won’t be successful. Same thing with government budgets.
            I don’t despise Obama for his color. I despise him since I found out he’s an ally of Bill Ayres.

          • Mitchell Davis

            Wait, the Tea Party hates the Republicans? The leaders of the Republican party, hate Republicans? Less than a hundredth of them aren’t Republicans, and they hate Republicans?

            What’s more, they hate Obama more than they hate Reagan and Clinton- both of whom were more to the left on fiscal issues than Obama. In fact, they love Reagan, who increased the national debt three-fold, and hate Obama, who halved it (actually, from 2009-2013 more than halved it). Why pretend that the Tea Party is anything but a bunch of backwards, racist, Christian extremists- why? Because you’re one of them.

            You are lying about what almost every Tea Tard stands for: they’re anti-progressive, anti-tax, anti-government. They are the worst political faction in America, demonstrated by this shutdown which was at their urging because they are too stupid to understand the benefits of Obamacare, and because they think other health care is being shut off.

            If you want to lie about the Teabaggers, you’ll have to find people that aren’t informed.

        • Daniel Fleck

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-American_Republicans

          Yes them damn white GOP are the source of all the problems. Those racists over there just hate Obama. Wait they hate Nancy Pelosi too? They must be sexists! They hate Bill Clinton? They must be anti-saxophone! They hate the Kennedys? The must be pro-prohibition!

        • robin Grace

          Obama gave Banks a pass the past five years..He helped them , not us, with stimulus. I hate it when people blame Republicans for something they didn’t do. But then… hey.. why research when you can type words on a page and have no accountability.

          • Bill Rubin

            Obama and the Democrats created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau against the wishes of the GOP…which also prevented Elizabeth Warren’s appointment as its director (even though she was the virtual creator of the agency)…and then held up every director appointment until this year in an effort to water down the CFPB as much as possible. The GOP would not allow the Democrats and Obama to create stronger financial regulations into that law creating the CFPB and others in order to better regulate and enforce those regulations against the banks. The GOP has prevented every Democratic effort to revise laws regulating banks to make them criminally and civilly more liable for possible fraud…which is the reason the DOJ has such difficulty in prosecuting bank fraud cases, since the criminal standard is so high that it is almost impossible to fraud even when it is essentially obvious otherwise. The GOP is the impediment here. Not Obama. I hate when FELLOW Republicans (since I am one, too) cannot admit the obvious–that the GOP works on behalf of banks and Wall Street to protect them from regulation and criminal and civil penalty against the obvious efforts to do so by the Democrats and President Obama…and then accuses the President and Democrats of being equally helpful in creating the mess the banks created to begin with. You are partisan and ignore the facts and history. Were it not for the GOP Senators threatening to filibuster every piece of legislation in Obama’s first 2 years and then the House GOP majority preventing all legislation pushed by Obama and Democrats since, the banks would be better regulated, held more liable for their actions, and not as threatening to our economy as a whole. Those are the FACTS.

          • Mitchell Davis

            The stimulus packages that were passed by… Congress? The lax regulations on banks because… Congress cares more about repealing Romneycare than getting anything done? Notice how not a single Republican in congress has proposed or even promoted better regulation of banks and big business? How not a single Republican in congress has even proposed a jobs bill?

            Why think when you can mindlessly ditto traitorous demagogues that crashed the economy and then shut down the government because they don’t like the idea of medical care that doesn’t choke out the majority of Americans with endless debt?

      • Nick Mayor

        Your ignorance is so profound.

      • tom

        “Return the power to determine one’s own destiny” and “most members…oppose gay marriage” are mutually exclusive ideas. You can’t claim that a person’s life is up to them and them alone and then turn around and try regulate the lives of an entire minority. This is why people hate the Tea Party. Hypocrisy.

    • Exposures

      Sorry for the “Up Arrow”, since I agreed with your first sentence, but not the rest of the post.

  • David Ritter

    He lost his argument by blaming only the congress …………….

  • Walter Harvey

    As long as Obama is in office, nothing will change for the good of our country1

    • steveorevo

      Right… cause Citizen’s United isn’t biased one bit and corporations are people too!

  • Guest

    You idiots are trying to polarize this? Get off your gang mentality and make some phone calls to DC or shut up. Moneys. FFS.

  • Jesse_James

    You idiots are trying to polarize this? Get off your gang mentality and make some phone calls to DC or shut up. Monkeys. FFS.

  • Spike Wiest

    The only way this will happen is if we go to war. That is the people of the USA going after our government and the rich ceos of this country

  • Quincy Qwilz Norris

    Sometimes it feels like when it comes to my hopes and ambitions. I might as well be playing a rigged dice game.

  • Will Killyou

    Where is Hitler when you need him??

  • Dolphieness

    It is not just Congress that is bought – the Administration (THE PRESIDENT, CZARS, ETC) is as corrupt and worse. Congress is marching to the POTUS’ orders. A speech does NOTHING when it comes from this speech addict POTUS.

  • Dee Berube

    We should all be this passionate about saving our country!!!!! that passion needs to take place in the voting booths…. They all gotta go.. and this guy… should become president….

  • Rern Perl

    LOL, got it backwards: gotta get politics out of money. Laissez-faire or we’re fucked.

  • Exposures

    Sadly, Barack Obama is in on the dupe! Sorry Dylan, but giving speeches doesn’t solve the problem. Barack Obama is bought & sold just like all the other politicians and he has no idea how to fix anything. He is the “Ameteur-in-Chief”.

  • robin Grace

    Yes Obama is bought too. Thus the ‘inaction’ on his part for 5 yrs in getting his Senate Majority to pass a Budget. No Budget for 5 yrs folks..Nada under the Dems. Clintion and Carter did the same thing

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  • tomasiepants

    I can’t understand why people only vote Republican or Democrat. What kind of a selection is that? And don’t give me that,” voting 3rd party is a wasted vote” nonsense. Vote for anyone but these two parties.

    • davebaxter

      It’s a wasted vote until a third party can truly mobilize and present themselves to the American people as a viable alternative that isn’t just a slight “tweak” from the current two parties (the “Green Party”, for example) or a ridiculous extreme that no one in the middle would ever vote for (“Libertarians”). No third party has materialized that has been able to compete with the Repubs/Dems yet. Until one does, all third party voting is a wasted vote, yes.

  • tomasiepants

    The Republicans feared Ron Paul. That’s why they made sure he didn’t make the ballot. Ron’s not a typical Republican, but to get his voice heard, he made sure to run Republican. I know plenty of Liberals who liked him. As much as they agreed with him, they couldn’t. Just cause he ran as a Republican. Hell, I’d vote for Nader if he disguised himself as a Democrat.

  • ricco

    I would vote for him! But sandly we have a president that has socialist ideals plunging the world into WWIII, blaming previous president bush for economies instability and if you go against such thought you are racist. The truth will come out, that no country can depend on its government when the government has insufficient funds by important more than it export. This system is crippling the people with empty promises for the strong, less desire to work for the weak and an unsafe future for all…

  • Judy McNutt

    Like most people this gentlman is frustrated with the way his government officials are running the country. Constantly passing the buck.
    It is time President Obama dispose of Congress and start over again like President Theodore Roosevelt did because of the amount of incompetency occurred when making decisions for the financial well being of the country not to mention maintaining financial stability and consistent fiscal consistency.
    Need for affordable housing, controlled interest rates , for the working class, schools that will provide breakfasts for all children, provide after school programs for all children.
    We have had our issues here within our Canadian Congress too! It seems hereditary Congress has financial issues both In United Stares and in Canada. RCMP have ordered financial investigation in all parties concerned.
    God Bless us all!!

  • aspence

    This guy should run for president!

    • DannoDISQ

      Better than the last 30 presidents.

      • aspence

        This is what we need as a failing country, until someone with reason and the balls to address the real issues we are doomed!

  • Brett Greshko

    Great points, but fails to see that the President is even more “bought” than Congress is.

    • DannoDISQ

      It’s the only way to explain the insane moves the President & Congress are making. Name another possibility.

      • Brett Greshko

        I’m not disagreeing that they are “bought”, I think you misread me. I’m just questioning his assertion that ONLY Congress is bought, and that the President can solve that, when really, the President and Congress are both bought. It’s been that way a long time, this is nothing novel.

  • Mephistopheles Lux

    The real problem is the zionist slave masters who own the banks, media and politicians. Deport all these traiterous assholes to Israel where their true loyalty lies.

    • plox fledgepot

      More to the point. The “extraction” he is talking about is just one big jew scam to fleece the goy cattle.

  • indfl

    Yeah, but he just wants to make another bank………

  • Jay Rettaliata

    This guy is just as full of crap as the people he is criticizing

  • Eric Hemati

    He’s 100% right – we have a fascist system now: bought and paid for by corporate interests.

  • jFM

    The USA has to eliminate the “STRANGLEHOLD” of the FEDERAL RESERVE (privately owned by the European Rothschilds Banking Monopoly-Oligarchy)……..They are the “enemy”…..take the European owned “FED” over. Send in the military and take them over…..they are FINANCIAL TERRORISTS !

  • Mitchell Davis

    This could be done easily:

    President: I will veto EVERYTHING you send to me until you eject money from our political system. (Only the legislature can write laws.)

  • JYD

    In my opinion, the only way to actually change thins is to do what the Declaration of Independence states!

    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

  • Steve Giardini

    The problem is not the people being bought…… the problem is the group of people that are BUYING them.

    This same group of people has been doing this to all people of the Earth for centuries.

    They are evil and must be destroyed.

    .

    • Quixote

      And what group is that Steve?
      Do you not have the intestinal fortitude and courage to name them by name?
      Well, I do…you mean the EVIL ZIONIST MONSTERS !!!!

  • Darlene Wolfe

    Yup this guy is not crazy but passionate to want to help not just US Citizens but a Global issues….Obama like most of you already know and I am sure this guy knows but will not say is just that the Prez Obama. is a Puppet for some Global Elite Shadow Group wanting to implode the US Constitution and they have eroded aspects of such…and try to implement since George Bush SR. signing off in Brazil yrs ago on the Agenda 21 plan….don’t listen to me do your own research regarding UN and Agenda 21 Folks! I truly hope in the next several weeks their is not some plan a false flag major event like some are saying that is even beyound 9/11 to push this plan forth. All I can say is be real mindful in using discerment and act accordingly and keep daily up to date with alternative media for information, ~Blessings

  • Alan Mills

    WOW….!!!!!!!!

  • Earthlinggb

    Dylan has stated on numerable occasions that the problem re banks and extraction comes down to mathematics. He’s correct. The answer/solution to it is already worked out and available and it explains precisely how the corruption of money works and it is called “Mathematically Perfected Economy”. It is the simplest and most exact solution you can find and it is not difficult to understand once the penny drops. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHRMax2GVcI

  • Beth

    It really doesn’t matter what happens politically now. No politician ever works for the people. That’s why they’re a politician. They will never make the hard decisions for the good of the people because it conflicts with the lining of their own pockets. It didn’t start with Clinton, Bush or Obama. It started with Roosevelt, with good intentions, but greed took over and every president since them contributed their part. The gold standard was abolished, entitlement programs added and padded further, even the People share part of the blame who fail to teach their children values and work ethics, continuing the line of greed and selfishness. There is no way to avoid what is coming. Either our own generation suffers the Greater Depression that is coming when full economic collapse hits, or our children and grandchildren do. But it will come. How will you prepare for it?

  • Ed Mason

    SPOT ON!……PERIOD!!

  • tabaqui

    President Obama *has* done this, actually. Perhaps not as comprehensively as this gentleman would like, but he *has* called out the Koch brothers/the GOP.

    https://www.politicususa.com/2013/09/26/afraid-man-money-obama-takes-koch-brothers.html

    • onegoodnathan

      get a friggin clue…Obama is a bought and paid for rubber stamp for the tbtf banks and mega-corporations just like even other politician of power.

  • spectroscopicsorceress

    Once I started really paying attention to what was going on in politics I stopped voting. I realized that as long as money was in politics, the people fell by the wayside and that the only true way to vote was with money. Which means that one only has as much power as they have money. So we know what that means for the poor, the environment, jobs, and infrastructure; it behooves the rich to keep the status quo, to avoid the programs that help the poor, to disable systems that empower and build the middle class, and to cripple anything green, natural, and organic because there is less profit.

  • Timothy Smith

    I like how the women keep trying to break in with such utter futility.

  • Anthony Locascio

    Dylan Ratigan is NOT a news anchor. He’s a less talented version of Bill O’Reilly. And yes, I’m aware of all that implies.

  • Jay Fitzgerald

    The hand that rocks the money cradle, rules the USA.

  • Chessia Trick

    I feel that if people in the government cannot make a choice between a gourmet lollipop thats $5 but the size of a Luden’s cough drop and five Dum Dums for $1 when they only have $3, then they shouldn’t be aloud to run the country.

    • Chessia Trick

      No seriously, next time you watch someone’s credit card get declined and they refuse to consider the other option and throw a fit and hold up the line, you’ll get what I mean. That pretty much sums up how our government is run – complaining without consideration based upon a threat to a set standard of living that cannot be compromised for the sake of making things simpler and alleviating said threat.

      Basically: “I WANT THE NEW LAPTOP AND IF I CAN’T GET MY WAY THEN I DON’T WANT ONE AT ALL.”

  • Deanne

    BRILLIANT and 100% RIGHT! America is about to implode economically and our US dollar will have no more meaning than a rock.

  • SohnMan

    One problem, the President is bought too, as is the Supreme Court. They are all bought and paid for by Big Money as Rush (the group) eloquently stated almost 30 years ago. The problem has only gotten worse and America is facing decline and this guy has known the truth for years and can no longer take it and lost it on MSNBC of all places. Mark Levin has a reasonable solution, let the states take back their power from the federal government and restore the constitution by repealing the 16th and 17th amendments. Put term limits in place for Congress and the SCOTUS. And do what this guy said, remove the ability to profit as a congress person. Several have gotten very rich off the military industrial complex; from Diane Feinstein to Barbara Boxer, to several Republicans. It is sick and wrong.

  • Sandra Middendorf

    our federal government is so full of shit. he is right. we need to weed out the doot da doots. if I didn’t do my job you know how fast they would get rid of my fuckin ass. these politicians are being protected by their own peanut gallery who are protected by buddies who have offshore accounts, shady networking, and golden not silver linings in their pockets. and those linings came from our sweat, blood and tears fellow americans. it is time we wake the FUCK UP!

  • Mamakin

    Face it – our elective officials don’t give a rat’s ass about the working class. The “president” sure doesn’t. All this dicking around costs money, which could be put towards avoiding a shutdown. Congress and Barry will still get their paychecks – the “little people” won’t. Fuck them all.

  • John Chiurato

    ON THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!

  • G-Spotter

    Glad someone has the guts to say what needs to be said. It’s damn time we stopped playing tiddlywinks with the President and the Congress. They need to get their Sh$% together and do what is right for all people in this nation, not just for themselves.

  • Alden C. Sheremata

    On a scale of one to ten he gets 10 for guts, but 7 for Dreamin’ on the Job. The guy on the top’s just a Gall Darned Hustler like most of the Congress. Ratigan however, sets a fine example for US, the People. I could handle a Dreamer.

  • Heidi-Lynn Maxwell

    Genius!!!!

  • dyrnych

    So his solution is for Obama to give a speech and then take a bunch of actions that, constitutionally, he can’t take without Congress?

    • DannoDISQ

      He’s already doing much outside his Constitutional authority. Why stop at tyranny ?

      • dyrnych

        What exactly is Obama doing that’s outside his Constitutional authority? Specifics, please.

  • Craig Browne

    This guy is all passion – no street smarts. To summarize, his solution to our current default crisis is for Obama to give a speech vilifying the branch of government responsible for the creation of laws, and demand the American people (of whom a sizable minority were/are unsupportive of his re-election/policies & who DON”T trust him) to elect politicians who recognize the unsustainable of current economic policy & are willing to work toward a long term solution. While he’s spot on regarding the disfunction in Washington – his analysis of what the Obama can/should do is logically flawed & fantastical. He completely ignores the reality of the current political environment – that the ideologues on the right have/are forcing those who are center-left (like Obama) to tact left to protect their policy achievements. The rhetoric on the right is that Obama is ALREADY acting outside of his constitutional authority – and this guy’s solution is to antagonize lawmakers on both sides of the aisle?? There is a freedom in activism that governance does not afford…..the President must work with this Congress, today – to solve today’s problems. I heard NO prescription in this rant for addressing our immediate challenges in the current political environment……..

    • ThisGuy

      The real solution is for the people to vote all the dems and repubs out.

    • DannoDISQ

      Well it’s not current. He was two years ahead of everybody.

  • http://www.corruptioneruption.blogspot.com/ Laura StraightUp

    Congress is the voice of the people. When a President says from the start he’s bypassing Congress, as Obama did, he’s saying he’s bypassing what the people want. If Congress is bought, it’s bought by the pimps for Obama’s presidency. The policies that really put this economy’s demise on fast forward was when the Democrats had control of the House and the Senate back when Bush was in office and had to sit there and disagree with what they passed, ( Barney tap it Frank and Co.) And the Damn LIAR in Chief can’t blame Congress because they haven’t been able to do squat since he said back in the beginning of 2011 he was bypassing them until Nancy Pe-LOUSY had the gavel back. So take that to the too big but failed anyway Bank and cash it!

  • http://www.corruptioneruption.blogspot.com/ Laura StraightUp

    Detroit is the perfect model for a Democrat run city on the way down for years. Bail out after Bail out, Liberal policies, it’s a HUGE microcosm of a screwed up system that should be the model EVERYONE sees as one to avoid. Keep the Government on a tight leash, the Liberals out of Positions giving them Power over the people, they usurp and over reach, steal, and rig elections… WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ENEMY.

    • Frank Mahnke

      Fresno CA and Miami FL. Both Republican run cities which are, and have been, on their way down.

      Political party has nothing to do with inability to lead. Both parties are filled with greedy egotistical power-hungry career-politicians. Open your eyes are realize that republicans are just as guilty, if not more so, of the things you’re complaining about. Being biased towards one side is just idiocy.

  • dahloan

    Imagine this guy at home with his family? A violent man . … scary….

    • ThisGuy

      Oh shut up… You missed the point entirely.

    • onegoodnathan

      go back to sleep

    • DannoDISQ

      Just adamant. I bet you think the Founding Fathers were completely calm and collected at all times when discussing King George.

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  • ThisGuy

    The only real solution lies within our votes. Vote them all out, people! You will never get rid of one without the other. Truth.

  • GranPree

    Voters sure are stupid sheep

  • Joe Barry Richardson

    MSNBC is not a media outlet whose programs I watch or listen too or consider knowledgeable. I do like what this man is saying. He is correct all the way to the core.

  • Simon Dixon

    Just to point out… this video was from at least two years ago… look at the Dow Jones Industrial Average they show at the top… up 400+ points to 11000+… the DOW hasn’t been in the 11000′s since 2011.

    • Andrew

      It’s 15k right now…

    • PJ McFlur

      Because why?? Maybe because the Fed is propping up a phony economy?

  • planckbrandt

    The Debt-money system is the ultimate extractor. The President is not powerful at all. The PACs own the whole thing. Every dollar in circulation is debt. That has to be changed.

  • planckbrandt

    We don’t need to repatriate money to start an infrastructure bank. We can issue sovereign money. We can issue money that is good in the US and can pay for goods in the US. We have plenty here to produce without needing any foreign currency. positivemoney.org.uk has the tutorials on this. Dylan should read up on alternative money systems.

  • CommonSense1957

    We need more of this — it’s good to see.

  • DannoDISQ

    I would vote for this guy on any ticket. And this guy was on PMSNBC ? !!!!! Incredible !

  • FatherOf1000s

    This is what you do: http://www.wolf-pac.com/

  • Bunne Rabb

    You just noticed that the ass end of the Rothschild business plan is closing out and they’re busting the joint out like a corner store that can’t afford to stock milk anymore? Just now? Folks? As long as we keep shouting malarkey at each other they are gonna fill up the getaway car and drop a match on the rest and if you think you have a seat in it, you’re deluded.

  • Pope The Rev XXVIII

    Cook Meth Government….

  • KnowYourRightsFool

    Ron Paul did, but too many American ignored him…wake up America! Rand Paul 2016!

  • KnowYourRightsFool

    Repatriate Apple cash, and problem solved….oh, and shut down the Federal Reserve.

  • DARoberts

    One answer, repeal the Seventh Amendment. Were Senators appointed by the state legislatures, as originally intended, several benefits would be immediately recognized.

    First and foremost, a senator’s allegiance would be insulated from campaign contributions. This alone would go along way in solving the problem of the undue influence of lobbyists, both foreign and domestic, that do not have America’s best interest at heart.
    As for a current issue, poll after poll, after poll indicates that the majority of American citizens are opposed to “Obamacare”. Not only the citizenry, but a majority of the states are also opposed, yet the Senate refuses to listen, instead, acting in favor of national party politics.

  • Al Oliver

    I’m guessing that that guy is gonna be frustrated for the rest of his life. Depending on man to solve problems of governance is like depending on babies to solve calculus problems. Ain’t ever gonna happen.

  • KnightLover

    Why would I want the corrupt government to nationalize the banks like Noreaga did the guy we took out of power…

  • Rick Hiltz

    LOL the lying monkey posing as president is bought as well he isn`t going to do a thing

    • jeff cox

      You realize you lose any chance at being considered credibile when you refer to Obama as a monkey, right chief?

      • Rick Hiltz

        Jeff do you understand that the monkey has lied to you about everything and has no credibility to begin with and that thru your ignorance you attempt to deflect it on me LOL

        • jeff cox

          Yes, it’s everyone ELSE’s ignorance that’s to blame for your choice of language and your own inability to express a reasonable argument. Got it.

          No deflection. I stand by my original comment. If you can’t express yourself with dignity and class, you lose any right to expect it from others.

          • Rick Hiltz

            Do my words offend you Jeff am i supposed to sugar coat it so you can better understand what I am conveying I could care less how you or any one else looks at me because what you think of me doesn`t matter to me

          • jeff cox

            You should have more respect for yourself.

          • Rick Hiltz

            Blow me phoquer punctuation are just rules for jackass`s like you I have all the respect for myself i need i don`t need yours Jeff lots of people read what i write because they agree like i said i don`t need your approval you have the option to read it or ignore it you obviously want to read what i write or you wouldn`t respond to it . The Corporate leader of the US is a public servant and is supposed to be working for them not attempting to rule over them he has not lived up to the promises he ran on and thus should have his phoquing as(s) booted out

  • Rick Hiltz

    want to stand up against corruption in Gov`t just stop filing a tax return

  • Tony Verdi

    I don’t think the title fits the video… More like, News Anchor totally nails it.

  • Stantorini

    As usual, when we see these self righteous blowhards ranting and raving…WE TUNE THEM OUT! All we hear is more LOUD verbal diarrhea but NO solutions. Sadly I think Ratigan is just as bad as Cruz.

  • Elizabeth Y Lockwood

    of fair air.” Wish he was able to just really come out and say what he REALLY THINKS AND FEELS ABOUT ISSUES. HE IS TOO AUTHENTIC AND AND OUTSPOKEN TO BE PRESIDENT………………and THAT is the saddest commentary on the current state of politics and so-called elected “””public servants.””

  • Elizabeth Y Lockwood

    breath of fresh air. don’t why it did that. exceeded my allowable keystrokes???

  • Rich Bart

    take it to the streets people. overpasses.org. when we have millions across America on the streets protesting they will wake up. every busy intersection. every busy overpass and we will win this country back. pelosi already said the shutdown belongs to the tea party. join every tea party you can even on facebook.

    • Shana Bailey-Stull

      JOIN US!!!! We have fun on the Overpasses! : ) : )

  • Shana Bailey-Stull

    Join US!!! Overpasses For Obama’s Impeachment – on Facebook. Or go to: http://www.overpasses.org

  • disqus_hhVSOtlcgT

    What? Your president is the one who bailed out the corrupt very same banking system you are raising cane about. Whatever. Just a show. Propaganda bs. Listen up buddy, we the people have not forgot what your president did. Or the many other evils he has been involved in. And God only knows the many we haven’t even found out about yet. I pray for Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and all the other real American’s, fighting with that same Spirit which brought us this great nation. I pray they will triumph over this great evil which has our country hostage.

  • TheVIYOHD

    Solution: The New Republic of the United Western States?

  • TheVIYOHD

    Ho hum. Obama has been bought & sold long ago.

  • amyetkind

    Gods, I miss this guy on TV.

  • Brenda Quintana

    this guys telling the truth,our goverment is bought,its a corporate

  • David Haag

    Smartest Man i have heard in a very long time!!!!!

  • T.H.

    ‘bought congress’ – anyone who doesn’t totally agree with this comment isn’t paying attention.

  • Wilfrid Lazarre

    Republicans! You should stop fighting just because America
    has a president, smart, intelligent but the color that you personally don’t
    like. While our country is at wars for over 10 years other countries are
    watching our childish behavior to take advantage of our feebleness. My questions to you: do you think the GOP
    love America? Do you think that Russia that you can see from your house is
    looking at us? Do you think that: we are
    alone in this world? Please have some consideration for America, stop fighting
    for everything, and accept that we have a President for the next 4 years. His
    name is Barack Obama! He wants health care for all American, do not stand in
    the middle of the road as a destroyer ,
    let’s try it if it’s not working
    we will fix it, the Democrats don’t believe
    in reading tea leaves. The way the GOP is acting is very suspicious; it look as
    if they have to broth back their swords cover with blood to their master in
    other to get pay. Think and meditate,
    help the president rebuilt the strength of our country otherwise our love BOAT
    will sink and we’ll perish together. God bless you God bless America. Monday,
    September 30, 2013

  • AV1RICKSTER

    Democrats resistance to any spending cuts, reducing taxes,changing the tax code or anything fiscally responsible is our major problem. Democrats persistence of wanting to control the lemmings and the rest of us needs to be reigned in. Republicans are bought too but turned into democrats the last go around when they had the chance. Bankers are always going to hold most of the cards by their very nature. Congress is full of lawyers – who have never done anything – built anything – fixed anything only complicated things – created anything except confusion. I’d get rid of lawyers in Congress before I’d throw the bankers under the bus.

  • Wilfrid Lazarre

    What Ted Cruz is doing is unconstitutional because, the affordable health care law is already ratified by the supreme court and has becoming the law of the land. Now a power- crazed senator, take upon himself to hold the whole country hostage. He wants the government to shut down, that is very reckless and a disregard for the constitution of the United States of America. Ted Cruz took upon himself to stop the country from moving forward
    It is upon the president of the United State of America to enforce the law for the benefit of the majority. The judicial branch should investigate Ted Cruz true motive if money is involved or if its an abhorrence for our duly elected president. something has to be done otherwise the president will never be respected as commander in chief. He does not have any respect for the 9 justices; they ratified the Obama care which became the law of the land, now Ted Cruz and his racist group shut down the country because he does not like the law. In any other country the executive branch together with the Judicial will join and pass a law to put him in jail, Until he give order to John Boehner to open the country back.The government has to have the well being of the majority of the citizen who elected him in mind not a group of derange congress persons.

    REV. Chaplain Wilfrid Lazarre

  • Wilfrid Lazarre

    Republicans! You should stop fighting just because America
    has a president, smart, intelligent but the color that you personally don’t
    like. While our country is at wars for over 10 years other countries are
    watching our childish behavior to take advantage of our feebleness. My questions to you: do you think the GOP
    love America? Do you think that Russia that you can see from your house is
    looking at us? Do you think that: we are
    alone in this world? Please have some consideration for America, stop fighting
    for everything, and accept that we have a President for the next 4 years. His
    name is Barack Obama! He wants health care for all American, do not stand in
    the middle of the road as a destroyer ,
    let’s try it if it’s not working
    we will fix it, the Democrats don’t believe
    in reading tea leaves. The way the GOP is acting is very suspicious; it look as
    if they have to broth back their swords cover with blood to their master in
    other to get pay. Think and meditate,
    help the president rebuilt the strength of our country otherwise our love BOAT
    will sink and we’ll perish together. God bless you God bless America. Monday,
    September 30, 2013

    • Jason

      Of course! The problem is racism! Problem solved!

  • Pete Orsaeo

    “The Law’ by Fredrick Bastiat said it best 200 years ago. He explains how the lawmakers gradually “plunder” the people.

  • Kerry Mullins

    This is the first time I’ve ever seen a news anchor on MSNBC actually make sense. EVER… There’s a problem with what he’s saying though. Well actually 2 problems.

    One if the president does as this guy says he’ll end up like JFK. Two, obama is bought and paid for too and would NEVER come out and actually tell the American people the truth. The democrats have been on a search and destroy mission since 2006 and they’ve been pretty successful at hindering the USA and taking it down. The collapse of 2008 wasn’t a fluke or a mystery, they did it and they did it on purpose.

    Yes people, our country is totally FUBAR (fucked up beyond recognition to those that don’t know).

    What’s the solution? VOTE OUT INCUMBENTS. If they’re in office NOW VOTE THEM OUT… Yes, we’ll lose some good people like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz but sacrificing them to get rid of the pelosi’s, reid’s, schumers, mccains, collins, mcconnels and durbins will be well worth the loss.

  • bandmanager007

    We can start turning the craziness around by getting rid of Citizens United, and getting lobbyists out of our government.

  • Tim Walker

    Won’t happen…the POTUS, the Congress and Senate are all bought and paid for my special interests! They each stick it to someone…the battle is over who gets stuck!

  • Tami Michelle Durling

    I have only got a multitude of emails from democrats asking me to send them money..not republicans..he has information backwards..

  • Kaitain

    The key problem is that the President is also bought. He received huge funding from Goldman Sachs et al. He will not do anything to counter the interests of Wall St.

    American democracy has gone horribly, horribly wrong.

  • XYZ

    everything he’s saying is 100% right …………..ALL POLICTICANS REPUBLICANS , DEMOCRATS , INDEPENDENTS ARE ALL AT FAULT …

  • XYZ

    ALL POLICTIANS ARE BEING PAID OFF

  • XYZ

    HE’S NOT CRAZY………………HE’S MAD……………………DON’T BLAME HIM ……………

  • XYZ

    HE’S 100% RIGHT

  • Jason

    100% Correct.

  • Susan Meyers

    He is right on all levels an he is on the money on Banks Wall street an most of all our Congress they should all be Fired! !! Step Obama you need to save this country…

  • tuxedobob

    Wait, *what* is being extracted? You can remove a country?

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  • S_Funk

    Vote Libertarian!

  • Jan Haugen Daldos

    The fact of the matter is, mr. obama is a muslim, trying to turn America into a muslim nation! Wake up people!

    • Frank Mahnke

      Moron.

  • http://www.wpuniversity.com/ Ben Fox

    2% business loans direct from the Government. OK, I’ll buy that. They already have the best collection agency in the world with the IRS and they can find you anywhere with the NSA so I bet defaults will be low.

    This guy is great. Love the passion.

  • CoolHairLuke

    Well…he’s wrong.
    Yes, the banking system is hurting America.
    But the greatest damage is done by our immense, bloated, overzealous bureaucracies, staffed with Nazi-like staffers who crave power and control. Who created these programs? These massive, intrusive behemoths? Democrats.
    So there, Dylan.

  • Marvin Matney

    The President is just as corrupt as the rest, actually worse.

  • Bryan Whelan

    Who cares??- any one of us can get hit by a bus tomorrow- All the talk in the world wont fix things. Anyway, I think things are pretty good- what’s everyone so angry about anyway?? Life is good- Chillax people.

  • sbozich

    Bull$h!t. Go to the people? The people are the problem. How do you solve the problem? Let the entire system collapse. Those that are dependent on a “bought” government to survive…won’t.
    Problem solved. Problem staying solved. For another dozen generations or so.

  • Sirrajj

    I like Dylan .Money Party’ Ratigan…

  • Julia May

    lol, awwwwwww, boo boos hurt.

  • Jeff

    As usual 95% of the posters here completely miss the point, and go into a my political party is better than yours pissing contest. Wake up America, both parties are bought and paid for by lobbyists, big corporations, and special interest groups.

  • disqus_aLE3eXMetz

    All anyone has to do is GO BY THE CONSTITUTION by voting in a president and senate and House of Representatives that will ALWAYS see if it is in the Constitution FIRST. Otherwise, don’t create a law that DEFIES the Constitution. Remove all laws that ARE Constitutional. THEN, give the high taxes BACK to the people to whom it belongs.

  • Libby

    I say, let’s vote for him in the next election!!!! He speaks the truth, what a concept! Let’s get him to run for President.

  • Jay Smolko

    Ummm… No politician has made these points? Ron Paul has for 30+ years but got labeled a quack by the mainstream media. Jackasses!

  • Paul Dussault

    I normally can’t stand screaming news people (most news people actually) but if I ever see this guy in person, I am buying him a HUGE beer! Finally someone from the media who speaks of what the REAL problems are with our political system. Until we weed out the corruption, we will never fix our problems. Both sides suck and are all corporately sponsored in one way or another. If we don’t pull our heads out of the sand and stop blaming the left wing or the right wing, I fear our nation that generations of brave men and women help to build through their blood, sweat and tears, is ultimately doomed. Both political sides love it when us little folk squabble about stupid stuff and believe what the media is spoon feeding us as it causes us to lose focus on what the real problems are. Many of the comments below prove this point.

  • Brad Bunger

    As I read these posts I realize one thing… Americans get it. Our people are NOT stupid. Do they feel powerless? Yes. But they get it. They get that our politicians are bought out, sold out, going for their personal “win” and ignoring the very people they were sworn to protect. Now, where do we go from here? Do we hope for a fearless leader that takes us there? Do we hold out hope of the next great President, our guy? Come on, no. As Americans we do what we always do, by sticking a boot in anyone’s ass that thinks they have the right to rule over us. Let’s stop playing and come together and send a new message to congress and support, advocate for, and disperse the AACA. Let’s get the big corporate money out of politics and remind our elected officials why they are there.

  • Tess in Texas

    I sympathize with Dylan Ratigan’s rant, but if he’s fantasizing about “THE President” stepping up and doing the right thing for the American public by bypassing a “bought and paid for Congress”, he just needs someone to throw a cold glass of water in his face and tell him to “Wake UP!!! This is Obamaland! Remember? Obama doesn’t DO the ‘right thing’! AND the times Obama HAS bypassed the Congress or the Senate has been by ‘Executive Order’ to do the WRONG thing!”

    I feel his frustration but I think he was having a not-quite-so-reasonable meltdown.

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  • Amy Mills

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  • Whtcrow

    … OMG.

    This guy is my hero.
    He may have lost his temper but he was saying all the right things.

  • rand49er

    What’s very revealing is Congress having their insurance subsidized not to mention being exempt from insider trading laws. How has Harry Reid been able to accumulate so many millions on his salary? Lobbyists and special interest groups run the government, just look at the tax code. It’s rife with deductions for all kinds of nonsense. Go visit Washington DC. The attitude there is, “What recession?”

  • John Stewart

    The only truth you will ever hear on MSNBC. Somebody will kill this guy, just like they did, Breitbart.

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  • Judd McLaughlin

    This is ABSOLUTELY correct.

    Taking it a bit further – ALL elections should be funded by
    WE THE PEOPLE. Elections should not start immediately after the last election -
    this is such a waste of time, money, and effort – totally distracts from the
    JOB that they are supposed to be doing – GOVERNING for those that elected them,
    not pandering to the interests that funded their presence in Washington (or
    take your pick of state and local office locations).

    How much money and time was burnt in the last presidential
    elections – many, many billions on advertising/lobbyists/advisors, etc. Why?
    The office? No, it is the benefits they will receive down the line, after they
    have fulfilled the explicit or implicit demands of the people/groups that
    funded their election.

    If you make elections seasons a set period of time – (a) 6
    months for President; (b) 3 months for Congress/Senate; (c) 2 months for other
    offices – who really wants to hear any more senseless babble than that anyway.
    You have a set number of televised debates – on time that the networks/cable
    channels must provide, free of charge, as they are the beneficiaries of the
    airwaves that are the property of WE THE PEOPLE. You have set editorial days in
    the papers/on-line media outlets – e.g. each Friday they can address points and
    counter points raised by their opponent. This will, most likely have to be
    funded, but the papers/on-line outlets stand to benefit by virtue of their
    participation in the election process (e.g. increased traffic).

    Then you have an election – you don’t need 2+ years of
    posturing, etc. – all that serves is to enable the puppeteers of the system to
    jockey, arranging their financial support for the individual whom they have the
    most confidence in doing their bidding.

    In addition to these changes to the system – you MUST have
    term limits. A “career politician” stands as the most egregious
    mutation of all that is sacred and natural. They simply should not have the
    opportunity to exist – they must be exterminated from our government. Google longevity of members in Congress – you
    will see a nauseating list of individuals who have been there in excess of 20
    years – do they not have real lives? Are these the type of individuals in whom
    we should place the sacred trust of governing? Get out of the lala land of
    politics, get a job, and see how difficult it is to exist in the world that all
    of your efforts have produced. Struggle with financing, making payroll,
    hiring/mentoring/firing people (real people, not just stats on a BLS report)
    and actually trying to make a product or provide a service that the market
    needs/wants.

    Dylan Ratigan’s outrage should not be viewed as an anomaly -
    it should be the norm, the flame and anger that should burn in our collective
    belly – as it is FAR past the time for action in this once great country. We have entrusted, too passively (and, based
    on my assessment of the education now at hand – a passivity that is
    indoctrinated to ensure the perpetuation of unquestioning acceptance by the
    eviscerated masses) our futures in the hands of individuals who have never had
    the best interests of their fellow citizens foremost. Action is needed, and
    action is needed NOW!!!

    Have an excellent day and may God Bless Americans – the
    people in whom the promise of the potential of this great experiment in a form
    of government known as a republic (not democracy – that is a lesson for another
    time).

    • asdfqwer

      I love this webcomic that shows the affect of throwing money at things. Barack, like him or not, basically bought his presidency as did George Bush. Rediculous and broken. http://xkcd.com/980/huge/#x=-5912&y=-6412&z=4

  • Eric Bischoff

    Yes Dylan but Goldman Sachs and the Banksters found and selected Obama and got him elected. He works for them. He’s not the one that will do this for us.

  • Eric Bischoff

    Maybe you should run and do this Dylan.

  • DrMichelleLV

    This planned Kabuki theater! There is no debt, it is all created for the enslavement of the world. Obama, congress, and all the banksters are being exposed which is just exactly what needs to happen for the world to wake the hell up! Money is bogus…it only represents OUR VALUE! It is THE problem. Get money out of not only politics, but out of life in general. Real value, which is what the PEOPLE produce needs no middleman representation which is all any form of ‘wealth’ really is.

  • Michele Galloway

    As if Obama isn’t bought and doesn’t appreciate the luxuries our tax dollars give him?

  • Marie B Corn

    Sounds like he is simply advocating accepting Obama as sole dictator – we have that already and that is our problem.

  • Trem

    This guy is absolutely right about what the problem is. Where he is wrong is in what he thinks the president can do about it. For better or for worse we elect presidents, not kings or dictators, and they are very limited in what they can do on their own. Campaign finance reform would do many wonderful things for this country, but no politician is going to fight against what got him elected.

  • Marie B Corn

    Did Jonah Hahn really listen to all this guy is advocating? If so, does he agree that Obama should act as sole dictator?

  • Glenn Gallaher

    http://www.civil-liberties.com/books/colony3.html

    Read and understand what it says, and you will understand this Democracy is a Foreign Government run by the Federal Reserve Banking System in the United States of America and has no business making any laws or amending our Constitution. Its laws will only apply to those who are not Citizens of this country, and when the people realize the truth, it will change. Until then be warned, it happened to the American Indian, and will happen to you. They will disarm you and kill you for what this Foreign Government thinks belongs to them.

    If you doubt me, look at all the programs they have set up to move the people away from nature, and support the banks. Anything that does not profit the bank is unsustainable. Private land ownership, the right to have a wood burning stove, the right to own private cars, the right to collect rain water on your land, the right the plant or develop a garden in your yard, etc. Any and all forms of items and things that do not go through the banks in one way or another is becoming illegal.

    The Pledge of Allegiance is it clearly stated, ‘To the republic…’ not a Democracy. The reason for the republic is that every person had a vote on the laws that would be passed, the reason for the Democracy is that a few are to pass laws. It is simpler to bribe a few than try to change the opinion of a few million people who would stand opposed to the junk laws that only are designed to profit the few at the cost of the many. It is easier to pass and make up new governmental entities like HUD, or CIA, or FBI, or NSA, etc. through a handful of people than a few million people who would object to the government spying on them. The government would have to be clear on what each program is designed to do and in full detail if it was a Republic, but since it is a Democracy it, ‘they need to pass it to find out what is in it’.

    The Democracy was never intended to support the people but imprison them to a way of thinking that allowed for their perversion of the law, look at the NSA at the airports that feel up children under the age of 18. That if done by anyone else would be considered a violation of the 4th amendment, but the Democracy has you convinced that just because they say it is acceptable it should be. Just because the ACA allows home invasion, and violated the 4th amendment it should be acceptable to the people, because they now have set up the idea that all they need for probable cause is if you are receiving any types of governmental benefit, if you have a child with a learning disability, if you were once part of the military, if you are making less than $1,000,000.00 per year (using governmental numbers that are in the report). For the trade that they will give women free pills, but at what cost? Is it worth not having a constitution and your rights as a citizen if you receive the pills?

    This is not what you think. Just as the National Banking Act of 1861 allowed the Foreign Bankers to set up the Fed, what will the ACA set up? Just as the Patriot act set up the NSA that has and tried to locate ways around the Constitution, what will the ACA bring into existence? Truth, do not be afraid of it. Embrace it and wake up and realize it will set you free if you will allow it to. And one last thing, thank you if you read this in its entirety, if you agree and understand feel free to comment, if you do not understand, please ask.

  • Gregory A Barden

    look at the money and perks that the GOV. gets they do not want to loose that so good luck on straightening out all that corruption

  • Emma Anderson

    Congress want America Broke and hungry. They don’t want to work with the President and that because he smart, no negative marks on his personal and professional life. Anything to bring the American people down on their knees. Republican look it took 25 years to make this mess we are in look deep the President is trying to get it straight and you keep putting block in his way. I blame you know the President an in fact you keep to give up your salaries for 6 months and give up you raises for one year you are not going be hurting like the American People, The seniors, disable and all people need you to pull together and do the right things and stop being so self-center and self-fish and get off you high horse and do what right put people back to work and given the opportunity to get health care you got a lot more than most people could have in a year or lifetime. Get real!!!

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  • dogjudge

    Hmm. “That’s the reason that the markets are acting the way they are.”

    Yo, moron. The markets are higher than they have been in the last five years. They are at RECORD highs.

    Beyond that, you’re a jerk trying to be a bully. They should have cut you off as soon as you started your moronic rant.

  • jsp0511

    Dylan Ratigan, you have a new fan.

  • Thomas Wilkinson

    hell obozo will go play golf as all ways

    • marshoutlaw

      he rarely golfs and the word is always.

  • Donovan Jones

    Wow…just..wow!

  • Shera Rael

    I am unable to get the sound. It appears to be blocked.

  • JaneK13

    Barak Obama cannot go to the people and complain about the corrupt congress is because he is even more corrupt than they are. It’s too late. Obama is going to collapse the economy. In kust four years he achieved the highest unemployment ever and got more citizens dependent on the government than ever before in the history of this nation.
    A Republic is supposed to be comprised of an active, engaged, powerful and productive citizenry. We no longer have that — we have a complacent, dependent, lethargic and disinterested citizenry. The Republic is dead. People are just waiting for the dictator and ruling party to be crowned so they can find out where they will live and where their next meal is coming from.

  • BobAKABuffy

    The president can say that, sure. But how does he actually make it happen by himself after saying it?

  • Robert Zraick

    Can’t agree with this guy. Obama will never tell the truth about anything, so what is his big plan? To have Obama tell the truth? Good luck with that. This is the same President who has created the divisions which have the congress so divided that it has ceased to function. This is the same president who has divided the country in every way possible.

    Great plan? Remove all obstacles and let Obama do anything he wants? He just recently tried to start WWIII.

    This report is not crazy, he is just delusional.

    • Pbrown

      True!!!

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  • Frank Weaver

    Amen Brother but if the President does that……HE….. WILL…..BE……ASSASINATED!!!!…….
    Because he has been bought off too!!!!

  • Ray Hadam

    I honestly don’t really understand…but i know that I have to tighten my belt no matter who is in office.

  • scarolina1

    Will never happen with this president he is bought, owned and paid for by the Cabal, just as the majority of the Representatives, Senate and SCOTUS are also.

  • Joseph Trent Parent

    this is not about one party or another, its the whole political system that needs a WAY overdue oil change… Look at the big picture, and for the love of christ stop arguing about how the political party you prefer, is somehow miraculously better than the other persons preference. its like teenage girls arguing about fucking twilight, now please firmly grasp your heads and pull them out of your asses… good day.

  • Joseph Guilbert

    about time! thank you!!!

  • TLD

    This is purposely done from Government not just because it’s corrupt, bought, you name it – but to pave the way for the New World Order. The time is coming and be aware of the One World Religion – this is what this is all about!!! Oh ya of course – a fucked up bunch of people running the USA.

  • mojomystic

    Brilliant! Shame there was no time for a response to his proposal at the end which totally beasted the “what do you do today?” question! This is the sad state of affairs in many other countries too & alternative ideas and discourse may yet lead to new solutions! It might also lend some credibility to the ongoing quest to bring “democracy” to the (apparently) unenlightened.

    Here’s something I wrote a few years ago, it’s from a UK political perspective but the general vibe remains the same…

    STICK, TWIST OR WATCH OUR S**T!

    Roll up, roll up, roll up,

    Have you yet decided on your club?

    We are experts of planting the seed

    If not tapping the greed, then definately the need

    Not to slip through the sieve like soup

    So as to be part of a group

    Like the sewer scene from the life of Brian

    We’ll keep you in-fighting, not thinking about the lying

    Socialists and anarchists like to retread bitter histories

    But why it should matter still, is but a mystery

    While the flood of the blood starts to flow

    It helps to bind those outside to the status quo

    If thinking isn’t the thing for you

    Then just pick a colour, red, yellow or blue

    We’ll give you a badge and fill in the blanks

    Then find you a place amongst the ranks

    And leave you to argue about right and left

    Not stopping to think what might be the best

    For those that aren’t politically aware

    Or just don’t care what comes to bare

    Theres re-runs of del boy on the tv

    And god only knows what other s**t to see

    We the ruling elite will call you plonkers

    As you play our game of divide and conquer

  • danastev924

    Look and see which party the five Supreme Court Justices who are BOUGHT, and the other four who aren’t. Then look and see the PERCENTAGE the Republican Party in Congress compared to the Democratic Party is. There’s your answer. People like you who can’t acknowledge that make me sick.

  • danastev924

    Also, look and see what Reaganomics has done to both the middle class and the lower class.

  • Salaam Amalabad

    SOmeone finally said it….

  • IBCat1

    Wake up, peeps! The problem is the way we elect our “representatives”. Doesn’t matter what colors they wear, they are all in thrall to their multinational corporate masters. If we, The People, decided to change how this nation is governed, we could do it! I posit Publicly Funded Elections, wherein all candidates get a taxpayer stipend to run their campaign, doesn’t matter what party you do or don’t belong to. You have a six month campaign with a set amount of dollars straight across the board. You run on your past accomplishments and your outline of what you will accomplish if elected.

    Then… Lobby Reform: no more back door deals… each lobbyist must transparently present their case to not only interested Senators and Congressmen who want goodies for their states, but also to a rotating, randomly selected Citizen Board who vote on the merits of your case and whether or not it serves the Public Interest. Citizens are asked to serve on these board for a one year period with a small stipend, like Jury Duty, for their time. These Citizen’s Lobby Review Boards, if you will, could perhaps meet twice monthly to review the docket, listen to lobbyist appeals, vote, and prioritize the next docket. A citizen would still have their job, still get paid their salary, and not have to worry about being asked to serve on the board for another 5 years or so. (Just like Jury Duty). It would be a civic duty, and why not? Isn’t this supposed to be a government for The People, By The People?

    Then… Supreme Court Reform… ever since Marbury vs Madison, our 3 Branches of Government have not been balanced. They are supposed to be. Let’s make it so. Then, overturn that Citizen’s United crap that started with Santa Clara vs. Southern Pacific… a travesty of lies, deception, and injustice if ever there was one.

  • Pat Warren

    Amen, brother!

  • Nam vet 2

    Welcome to the TEA party.

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  • Figanootz

    We have a bought President too.

  • Walter Thompson III

    I love it when folks bring the concept of “God” and the institution of religion into a real political debate. Just precious and so relevant! Not!

  • Camille Whittick

    he is just trying to get some kind of ratings since MSNBC is like the least watched program on TV

  • Jay Volk

    No, what this man is saying basically is that someone has to come to the american people and say “Hey, you’re getting fucked” which would create the upheaval required to install change. Until someone does this, the system will continue to rob us blind. This will not happen though, never ever in a million years. Our economy, our government, everything will eventually collapse on itself, and THAT will be the marking point of change… But it will be far too late by then.

  • Rev TJ Conwell

    Wow. I …. loved …. this. Obummer got owned, as did his followers and his entire “entourage” and demagoguery of all opposing voices to him. True, the entire Congress has issues, but wow — I wonder if “Tingles” (aka Chris Matthews) heard this?

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  • Voellf

    Simplistic solutions being offered for a complex problem. So the President gives a speech to the country … then what? The far right despises him and isn’t going to listen, and the left will nod their heads and wring their hands. All the while the congress carries on just as before, because the real power to end their corruption lies with them. Aint gonna happen. Rome lasted a lot longer than this country ever will, but it too collapsed into anarchy. Just my opinion. I might be wrong.

  • Cathy Perez

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEONE IN THE MEDIA DID NOT DRINK THE KOOL AID AND READ THE SCRIPT TODAY SIR…THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU…THIS BREATH OF FRESH AIR AND LUCIDITY WAS A WELCOME RELIEF FROM THE FLUFF AND BIAS THAT WE ARE FORCE FED DAILY…KEEP IT COMING PLEASE!

  • B Dog

    Anybody who thinks that money doesn’t corrupt our political system doesn’t understand that politicians are only there to maximize their “winnings” in DC – stay in office as long as you can, get an awesome pension, healthcare, and a great 7 figure lobbying job after you “retire.”

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  • http://www.facebook.com/peter.boddie Peter Boddie

    The President is the problem, as is most of Congress, but not all.

    The Tea Party is the solution. They are electing people who want to solve these problems.
    This guy is an idiot is some ways because he thinks THIS President will act responsibly and give another speech to turn things around. He has had plenty of opportunities to do that and has abdicated every time or actively made things worse. The solution must come from the people through the Congress.

  • Ricardo Colon

    Its a cop out to blame both sides when it is obvious that the Left are the ones destroying the country.

  • Geno Angelino

    Just look deep into the military industrial complex, it will explain where ALL your BILLIONS really are!! FU OBAMA and CONGRESS you NAZI SCUMBAGS!!

  • Jarth

    It is time we all wake up, it is not just the U.S.A. being ‘extracted’. It happened all over the world for decades if not millenia. There is NO possible proof to deliver on this, no political agenda to ‘fix it’. This is how power is enforced. This is the most ancient whip known to mankind.

  • Joe Zellers

    At last, for the first time I’ve seen or heard, the truth about where and why we are in the mess we are in. It will not be fixed until $$$ is completely removed from our election process. What are the chances of this ever happening? Instead we are going in the opposite direction!

  • Oohayme

    He knows what he is talking about, except his President is knee deep into this same crap, so don’t expect him to say that or even act on it. It would be a miracle.

  • bnchy

    Dylan, part of the answer I have been talking about for years is term limits. You are naive, however, if you don’t realize that the Fed and the global banking elitists are too powerful for a President or Congress to deal with if they blue their lives.

  • ron44

    Koch Brothers money..Soros money..what is the difference, you clowns think it is all about obama trying to hide the facts. Soros has had regular visits to the WH and has spent millions on MOVE ON< PROGRESS NOW< ORGANIZING FOR AMERICA to collapse this country into his open society project..get a hint will you.

  • Chunkie

    This guy is on the money! The exact same thing is happening in the UK!

  • Ronald

    What if people simply stopped voting for any politician that accepts corporate dollars? Sorry, I just realized how impossible that would be.

  • ValerieJ

    Math doesn’t lie. Most politicians don’t care. As long as they get theirs, then to h*ll with the rest of us. The cycle continues if We the People allow it and keep voting them in. Both sides are corrupt. When will America wake up. I doubt it will.

  • ron44

    Your taxes, your money has been going to other countries over seas in the form of un-repaid and bankrupt loans. Enough is enough..The Sponges at the UN.N siphon billions and we never see any positive results. All we see is media taking the credit for your hard work and sweat.

  • Sean Tabor

    I disagree with the end conclusion that only the president can fix this. If you really want to get the money out of congress what you need to do is take away the majority of the legislative capacity of the government. If we truly had a limited government like we had back when this country was founded their would be no need for businesses to try and buy politicians because they could do nothing for the businesses. If you really want a congress…a government that does the people’s work than take the power from the government and give it back to the people.

  • Gods of Ruin

    There is money in politics because there’s so much power in it. Get rid of the crazy authority government has, and you get rid of the cronyism.

  • beijingyank

    when I find out I got cancer is the day I start planning to take out some the scumbags before it is my turn.

  • warweary

    Think I could follow that man

  • nobody

    he did not have to brow beat the others….no yelling is needed bully

  • Scrotum Repair

    I blame Captain Kangaroo. I used to blame Captain Morgan.

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  • Alex Hawke

    Big problem is that the President is bought as well, and I am a lot more concerned with the people that own him.

  • jcwink

    Politics has become a career and once elected a politician sells their soul at the expense of its constitutes. The private banking system is part of the problem. Public banks like in North Dakota would be a start, term limits, fairtax, would return power back to the people. Private banks can still exist, but not with the power to expand the money supply.

    Ratigan is hoping BHO would come out and confront the fraud.. The problem Dylan is that….. BHO is a member of the extraction group! He can not go to the people of the United States a say that… Because he is bought…too…

  • Laughing at you

    While I agree with this guy that this is the problem I do not agree with his solution. The only solution is to completely remove “all” politicians from the policy changes. The only way to do that is with a constitutional convention. We the people CAN change the system and it is written into our constitution. We can amend the constitution without having congress involved and implement the changes that congress would never sign off on.

  • http://thelongversion.com/ TheLongVersion

    He’s right on the facts, wrong on the solution. He’s advocating a King, which if the truth were known is exactly what this president would like to be. But he’s right. Our political and monetary systems are corrupt to the core.

    The real irony and humor here is the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street have been saying the same thing.

  • Joe Riley

    WOW!!!! AMEN BROTHER!!!

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    Lmaoo I love this!

  • annette

    God is good. And you think God will bless a nation when they take Him out of everything ??

  • Christopher House

    TRUCKERS HEADING TO dc. . . oops there here! where is Cnn – where is MSNBC -WHERE IS ABC-OH THIER BOUGHT OFF BY our own Government!

  • Christopher House

    The President is bought a criminal and need to be impeached- he need to go to jail, congress need to go to jail. senate need to go to Jail we are marching we are the people and we are in REVOLT!

    • Russell Turner

      ^ the simpleton above cannot understand that the problem is systemic.

      • Brunodarkhorse

        Condescending fools like yourself voted Obama into office twice believing his lies. You entitlement types are the problem.

        • Russell Turner

          You’re another simpleton who can only think in 2 dimensions. You hate Barack Obama so to you everything is President Obama’s fault… in that order. First the hate, then the blaming… and we all know why you hate him so much, we don’t need for you to admit it.

          Here’s a clue, Clown… Progressives understand that the system is screwed up. We elected him twice to send right-wingers like you a message which is as follows

          YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED AND WE ARE DONE ENTERTAINING YOU PEOPLE

          • Brunodarkhorse

            Shut up idiot troll. OBAMA IS A FAILURE in the highest magnitude. You sound so puffy for a little sheeple. I hope I get to meet you in the FEMA camp. Then we’ll see whose days are numbered. Besides don’t little sissy pants like you hate guns, who you going to overthrow. Your government sure as heck isn’t going to help you. LOL

  • Squashy1

    AMEN to this righteous rant. Enough is enough. The can has been kicked so many times that it is smashed and will not roll anymore. Now would someone please make a new road?

  • Adam Buffalo

    I think a big part of the problem can be read right here in the comments. You people have been fed a lie and you keep repeating that lie until it is truth. We were never a democracy, we’re a constitutional republic. That’s the recipe that worked for so long. We went and tweaked the recipe and now our goods taste like trash.

    • Aaron Kensington

      a republic is a kind of democracy.

    • Aaron Kensington

      democracy identifies the source of power (the people) republic identifies the structure of government (a system of elected officials who represent people by geographic area)

      you can have a democratic monarchy (the united kingdom, esp back in the day)
      or a theocratic republic (Iran)

      democracy and republic are not mutually exclusive terms.

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  • Philip Schuster

    All he’s doing is complaining about the problem without having a solution. Obama can’t change anything. He’s only the president. I’m serious; this is not sarcasm.

  • Steven Robinson

    He’s only 75% crazy. He blames the Democrats, especially Obama for not LYING to the American people and blame Republicans for “trying to burn the house down!!” The Dems are criminally responsible, but this guy is part of the problem and Certainly not part of the solution!

  • Lawrence Barnes

    I actually heard him say, “Fund with repatriated offshore funding…” This is another take from the rich and give to the poor speech. It will solve nothing except making everyone poor. The result then is that the businessmen, inventors, and job creators will take their skills elsewhere leaving the “entitled” rabble to starve while waiting for their government handouts.

  • Pat Reynolds

    This is the smartest man that I have heard in years!!!!

  • Eleanor powers

    I go along with this man. What he says is the truth!! We the people must take our country back.

  • frostbitblue

    Obama has said this. In fact he chided the supreme court at a state of union address over this very issue. Over the supreme court ruling that allows unlimited donations by corporations to politicians.

  • lordofgord

    this video sucks and isn’t funny. bunch of pussies running around filming shit.. waste of time

  • lovehopepeace

    Political Parties are just as horrible as the current Gangs in Chicago, or LA OR Miami. They will continue to pick apart this country piece by piece. They have gained too much power both in state and federal. We as a country need to come together and stop just accepting what is being rammed down our throats. They do their job in a half ass way and we enable it by just saying its one side or another. We need to stop enabling and stand up and take our country back. Elect someone that is not Party affiliated. Work together. Stop bickering and actually inform yourselves for this next election. Let no one bully you into choosing dem or rep, but don’t waste your vote either. If you vote for someone outside of the system we as a country have a better chance of helping to get this country back on track. However that being said please make informed decisions for yourself. And I do mean INFORMED. Do your research.

  • Jimmi Shrode

    This ball started rolling 40 some years ago–under Nixon. Everyone in Washington is a whore–everyone has been bought. No one will reign in the Banks because their pockets are stuffed. The irony is, the Republican Party is upset because a Black man git in the White House.

  • Mitch Feierstein

    He is correct. He numbers are incorrect – it’s worse, much worse. I have written a book called Planet Ponzi which describes how we got in this mess, what happens next and how to protect yourself.

  • William Fuzi

    The states can do it. All they have to do is get together and purpose an amendment to the Constitution. Get it ratified by three quarters of the states, and the Congress has no choice. It must be included into the Constitution. Remember the congress, and the Senate represent the states, and have to follow the wishes of the states. My idea of the perfect amendment would be term limits for all politicians. no more than eight years for President, and Senate, and no more than four, two year terms for Congress.

  • Thomas Eagan

    its a rant, but its cogent. We have a bought congress, period, both sides of the aisle. And the supreme court approved it. Bills laden with pork, are standard fair but should be disallowed.Legislation is representation of the moneyed, often, and can, frequently, be at the expense of the everyday tax payer. With no audit function in place the “institution” of Government continues to grow and throwing money at issues is the easiest, although not the most intelligent, solution. Remember at least 30% of a politicians time is spent doing what? FUND RAISING. Thats just a fact that rattles me. How about getting your job done and doing it well so you can get re-elected. Nope that doesn’t work, its pander to those with the most $$ so I can pay to win my next election. And if I can’t, then lets re-district, or change how you can vote. We have Democratic framework that hides legislation that supports corruption, power alignment and deceit. Our government is focusing not on important priorities and we the people are getting duped. So histrionic display albeit of emotion should not be simply dismissed as “attention getting’ for attention sake. He is NOT Miley Cyrus with albums to sell. He has a point that might be worth every American to take 15 minutes a night to dig into his position and decide for themselves whats cogent and important.

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  • Cyndie Andrews

    Wow!

  • splicernyc

    I’m really tired of all this Koch versus Soros nonsense. They are merely the front men for an entire system of, by and for the elite in this world. Some folks might be dumb enough to revere the rich but the truth is that these few do everything to support a system that only benefits them to the detriment of everyone else. They will never care about society at large or the hardships of the common person. They need to be forced to do it.

  • Asher Smith

    America is living beyond its means and its going to take pain to fix it; people don’t like pain :s

  • Pat Buatti

    Shit rolls down hill…which means it starts at the very top. We need a new president & any senator or congressperson who stands with him needs to be re – called. They do not care one bit about the people who elected them. They only care about lining their own pockets. In Obama’s case, it’s always everyone else’s fault. Refusing to talk with the senate is a childish action. It’s like a kid who says they’re going to hold their breath until they get what they want. Even worse more like Rumpelstiltskin who get’s so angry he keeps on stomping his foot until he get’s his way. Obama is acting like a king or a dictator and someone needs to tell him he’s not & that the senators & congresspeople who stand with him are not his court jesters.

  • Todd Kloes

    The republicans should be thoroughly embarrassed by the mess they’ve made. Too bad mid-terms aren’t this year. Oh wait, if they were, the GOP buffoons would be doing their jobs instead of holding the US Gov’t and its people hostage by a law that was passed by both houses, passed a Supreme Court judicial review, and 2 recall votes. Like it, hate it, doesn’t matter…its law…move on. If they don’t want the ACA funded, win an election.

    • Asher Smith

      Sounds about right. Too bad Obama gave out wavers and subsidies to some.

      • Brunodarkhorse

        Some? Only his SEIU/ACLO union thugs, and the cronies corporations who funded his campaign, not to mention congress voting themselves a subsidy. Over 30 waivers in all so far. Yet, people like Todd are too low on the intelligence scale to understand the significance of the situation. Dumb animals are usually only concerned with immediate gratification with no concern or thought about who is going to have to pay for this thing and the number of people who are going to be hurt by it.

        • Asher Smith

          My point was not clear. Republicans lost and therefore the President and the democrats had the authoritative position on the issue. However when he gave out subsidies and wavers, this opened the door for this course of action.

    • Brunodarkhorse

      Why should the republicans be embarrassed, it’s your foolish man little man king and his democrat minions who are driving this revenge politics. Yes it is a shame mid terms elections are not now, so we can vote out the treason us dogs who forced this boondoggle called Obamacare. Of course deadbeat entitlement program people will scream no fair. Obama only won because democrats stole it, with their rigged election boxes poll takes, throwing away ballates, and using dead and illegal voters.

      • Todd Kloes

        If you don’t know why republicans should be embarrassed you’re not paying attention. Rereading your post, most of it is regurgitated moronic dribble even a retard like G Beck wouldn’t use. But you can’t make baseless claims like “rigged elections” when an entire states (North Carolina to name one) is being outted for making it illegal to vote anything but republican. I’m a registered Independent, I hate both the GOP and the Dems, but play by the damn rules. Obama won by 5 million votes…not 100,000. Get over it. We survived 2 terms of G Bush, you’ll survive Obama.

        • Badger Mike

          Calling Glen Beck a retard says a lot more about you than it does him. What it says is, you’re a horrible person. Congratulations, you’ve won the internet today.

          • Todd Kloes

            Badger Mike – I have disabled friends and family, love them all, they are all good people and contributors to society. I called Beck a retard cause he uses shtick and baseless claims to scare listeners, and he’s mean while he does it. In those moments Beck is dozen’s of IQ points lower then he really is. He’s not disabled, although he may be drunk or high, but I’m not making fun of a disability. I’m making fun of his argument’s shortcomings. He’s probably smarter then his posted argument, but he regurgitated stuff that’s not only been disproven…but are accusations against his beloved GOP. And he hurled those baseless claims against a political party he hates. I put facts in a discussion thread, he replies with ignorance and “little man king”, “treason us dogs”, “stole it”, “rigged elections”, etc etc.

            But having said that, I apologize if I misused that word and you found it offensive. Probably not my best moment. I am sorry for that.

  • Miciah FlØwmatic Duncan

    1:19 -_- guys like oh snickerdoodles

  • Todd Kloes

    From the Master himself, the only true news show left in America. Republicans hate the ACA law so much they want to shut down the US Government. Fine. But don’t shit on our toast and call it jam.

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-8-2013/the-shutdown-blame-game

  • Gregory L. Donoghue

    He is absolutely 100% correct. The Republican’s keep saying we do not have a revenue problem (Oh really) that it is only a spending problem. Wrong. We need additional revenue to pay down our National Debt. My suggestion is a VAT, Value Added Tax at point of Manufacturing and Importing dedicated singularly to our National Debt and codified as such. There should be included a Sunset provision, ending the tax in whatever amount of time it takes to pay down the debt. In addition, we need Budget and Spending reforms but don’t keep blaming Social Security because these people paid for that insurance. It is not an entitlement! You can adjust some areas such as Age which has been done in the past. Leave the COLA alone. Go after the fraud and abuse of Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Pentagon Contracts, Disabilityu Fraud, Congressional Perks, among other things. This is the way to financial freedom.

  • Gigi Bousquet

    This is the most intelligent assessment of our governmental state of reality that anyone has articulated. He should be yelling. It is more than frightening. It is not unsolvable, however, but our politicians are not equipped or motivated to do it. It will have to come from an insistence from the American people! I have never heard of this guy, but I will now watch his program. Thank you for the posting. He should be an advisor to whomever is brave enough to steward us out of this paralysis.

  • gawxxx

    mankind has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it cannot govern itself ! , check history! , we are headed over the cliff ! , how sad but also how telling ! , once again ” GOD” have proven that only “HE” knows best and we are but “children ” in a man’s world ! , all of us !!!!!!!!!!!!

  • donald fitzpatrick

    I am very proud of you sir, listening to you yesterday made me strong because I have been watching this government rip up apart for sometime now and been warning people…… I pray that your coworkers and other media faces will have the believe that our country america is great and home of the free and come together and use the airways to exposes the corruption within our government

  • Kaya_Bailey

    His points are valid. America can correct itself but borrowing from a Central Bank is not going to fix it.

  • newbrew

    Those chick are completely worthless. Fact, we have too much debt. Fact, we are spending too much. Fact, we are spending on the wrong stuff. Fact, regulatory oversight of industries is killing industries and only acting to help politicians in their corrupt ways. We have to immediately run surpluses, reduce the overall size of government, let people fend for their own. No more medicaid, no more EBT, limited medicare, limited social security. No more big wars. When we do have big wars, we win big really fast. In and out.

  • nhr215

    This guy is a complete idiot. He appears unable to articulate what he is mad about. What does “extraction” mean? Who is extracting this money? And where is it coming from? What is he taking about???? Complete gibberish.

    Then his big solution is to have the President “tell the people you have a bought congress.” Great, that’s gonna solve everything. There are no easy answers here. The president cannot get anything done without the legislature. That is how our democracy works. Its a balance of power. And any kind of political contribution reform has to pass through Supreme Court as well. Thanks to Citizens United ruling, the money is now unlimited and unregulated. There are many aspects that need to be adressed for there to be reform. This guy doesn’t any understand any of them.

    He needs a lesson in rhetoric and an constitutional law.

    • http://www.sotonation.com/ Ahmad Willis

      THANK YOU! I SEE HIS POINT BUT THERE’S ALWAYS MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE & HE’S STILL TOUCHING ON OBVIOUS SURFACE LEVEL ISSUES

  • DueProcess

    Nah. Crazy. Not reasoned. Fear and loathing in not low tones is not political dialogue. It’s a monologue intended to incite fear.

  • Troy Roasty

    Yep, it’s the TRUTH.

  • Troy Roasty

    Vote GREEN.

  • Michael Raymond Gall

    This man isn’t crazy, he is frustrated yes but I dont agree with him. The President has to have a body to agree with him, I agree on some points he said but him saying for the President to go out and give a speech and everything will be fine after that isn’t true. The President has made and can make more speechs, it won’t cure the fact that there is courpet people trying to burn the house down. He isn’t on point 100 percent but he does have some good points yes.

  • Delia Brigstocke-morris

    love the guy! Russell
    brand tellin it like it is! :)

  • AP

    The president is bought too. People need to realize that.

  • http://www.gebhardtart.com gebby

    This guy here is just catering to ignorance. The debt was about the GOP spending blow up.

  • Indy317

    The Republicans are not “burning down the house”. They are not the ones wanting to shutdown the government. They are the ones trying to stop the debt increases, stop the growth of government. He did get the Democratic position correctly.

  • Guest

    He is 100% dead on

  • Harry Skip Robinson

    Dylan is absolutely correct. The government of the United States has been running off of borrowed funds so long that no one essentially wants to lend us money any longer. It’s really that simple and the math proves it. We need to drastically reduce the size and scope of government and reduce taxation, however there is an old saying in politics; everyone believes we should cut the budget, as long as it is somebody else’s, hence the current impasse, as each attempt to protect their own jobs and the special interests they represent. Their own jobs are directly linked to protecting the special interest they represent, hence the reluctance to compromise.

    We have allowed special interest groups and their political cronies to gain access to the public treasury to such a degree that the individual right to keep the money you earn, (your property) is not longer even considered relevant. It is our money and we surely should not trust politicians to do what is in the best interest of the majority. Anyone who doesn’t see the blatant lack of integrity riddled throughout the system is either a moron or part of the problem. Every minute we delay corrective measures, we increase the long term catastrophic effects of irresponsible fiscal management, which “will” send us in to a deep dark abyss of social atrocities, experienced by many other countries throughout history that have found themselves in this situation.

  • Dawn Wofford

    Like it it or not he is right…

  • orws

    I agree with many things he says. However, the problem is the supreme court refuses to check the power and corruption of the other two branches of government. Finance reform can now only happen with a constitutional amendment. For that to happen you have to depend on corrupt congress and presidency to enact such a reform on themselves. Fat chance.

  • TheOccultist FB page

    Sadly, if the president did decide to be truthful with the American people, he would end up like JFK and he knows it. If the president really wants to make change, it is going to be a slow and stealth process, and we the people would have no idea it was happening because if it is working, neither would congress.

  • DJ

    I love that DR is taking the Dems to task about their “sitting on the hands” policy. He’s right, too. Until we get these bloated political campaign funds out of the system, it’s going to continue to spiral downwards. And shame on them for letting Tea-Party ideologues hijack the political process to push a dangerous Dominionist agenda on the country but, you gotta hand it to them: at least they came in swinging. But it’s this same corrupt money that bought the system that allowed them to get this far in the first place. And now they’re doing it again with that guy in Alabama that wants individuals to be able to give how much they want to a single candidate. They’re not even trying to hide the fact that they want to buy the gov; that’s how bad it’s gotten. Why aren’t more people outraged by this?

  • wil

    truth

  • OhBoyThisIsFun

    He speaks of something that all Americans need to accomplish right now! The bickering that we do amongst ourselves is only helping THEM! So… after we post we need to get it done! Fire Congress and start over without the corporations.

  • Delane Cunningham

    thank you… this should be a viral video…It’s true. President Obama needs to use all executive powers to stop them.

  • EthicsProf

    Dylan Ratigan needs to go back to grade school and get some civics lessons. The President has made the speech he suggested here — many times. Obama suggested an infrastructure bank. But WE HAVE SEPARATION OF POWERS that prevents a single individual from doing anything if the party in the other branches of government wants to see the president fail (their ultimate goal). It is time EVERYONE starts to see the obfuscation implemented by the Republicans for the last 6 years and STOP VOTING REPUBLICAN. Republicans hate government (and bi-racial Obama as a bigger side issue). They will never do anything to fix it because dysfunction fits their objective. They are not governing for the AMERICAN PEOPLE, but for an ideological mistake. The effect is that they are governing to get a handful of people in control in an authoritarian, corporatist society (think Koch/Romney). Dylan Ratigan is stupid. He should not be given a microphone. He HAS NO SOLUTION. He is no different from the Occupy groups who protest, but propose no workable solutions — only pie-in-the-sky solutions that can be blocked by our Constitutional separation of powers. The Clinton Initiative has more action going on than the heated rhetoric that comes out of Ratigan’s mouth.

    As for finding a balanced solution to the debt problem, one must look at the statistics and other data. Bush destroyed a surplus by cutting tax rates to the bone. We must pay for our wars. That means taxation. Who to tax? Well, we have the largest inequality in the nation since the end of WWI (almost 100 years ago) . We need to extract more tax from the top end. They benefit disproportionately from war. The poor/middle class send their men and women to fight the war. The wealthy have their assets and infrastructure protected by these men and women. They should pay for it. Instead of taxing, we sell them treasury bills so they can earn interest from the US government. This creates and grows our debt (yes, that’s what treasury bills are) instead of using taxes from them to pay down the debt. On the spending side, there may be some small concessions to be made to restore our insurance/annuity programs (Social Security and Medicare – I refuse to call these entitlements) to solvency, but these are needed by our people. One of the purposes of Obamacare was to get medical spending under control by eliminating the cost-shifting that occurs when people use emergency services, then don’t pay for them (thus shifting costs to others with insurance, whose premiums increase in turn). I prefer single-payer to employer-based insurance systems, but the really great benefit of the privatized system created under Obamacare is that people “suck it up” when companies raise prices (as will happen with insurance companies over time), whereas they raise holy hell when the government raises taxes to cover needs of the people. The point here is that Republicans can’t have it both ways — we need Obamacare to get our fastest growing portion of government spending under control (medicare), and yet they want to get rid of it. If they really cared about spending, they would encourage Obamacare.

  • barbaralee12

    We need to put the blame on the right people and those people are the voters in the 2010 election!After the 2008 election everybody went to sleep in 2010 and assumed the President could fix it by himself and it takes a congress to do that and what a damn congress he has!Wake up people and pay attention to your local and state elections or we will be hurt again and again!

  • Dalton Haddock

    I agree with him 98%. The Congress is bought but so is the President. Remember Obama was getting spoon feed info by the FED during the first election campaign.

  • Joseph McAuley

    Just a minute ladies..

  • KP54

    Two words: Ron Paul

    • modette99

      Actually Rand Paul

  • Richard

    The flaw I see is that he doesn’t seem to realize that the president is part of the problem not the solutions. Obama has been bought and paid for years ago!

  • tish

    nailed it!

  • Gordon Jones

    Awesome.

  • Debra Curry

    this is why we need Liz Warren to be POTUS….she says what is

  • Chris Roberts

    He forgot to mention the mathmatical fact that the government MUST spend
    when it’s in a recession and especially in a depression in order to get
    money flowing and create jobs. He’s taking the very simplistic view
    that debt and deficits are always bad no matter what the circumstances
    are on the ground. He’s not crazy. He’s just passionate yet
    misinformed along with a large minority of our citizens.

  • jjswim

    Some of you who are getting into the semantics of what someone did or did not say are missing that this video is actually from 2003.

  • Monica Way

    yup.

  • Mitchell Davis

    For the religious morons claiming their gods exist: I’ll recant all my insults and statements made in opposition to your deity, and convert iif you can understand and then fulfill the following requirement:

    https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q71/1382877_686934291317340_1573824951_n.jpg

  • Beverly

    This all started with Citizen’s United and brought imaginable amounts of money into our politics and fed the politicians so that they became so bloated, that they have only worked for these big businesses to get more and stopped caring if they did what we voted them in to do. It starts with stopping the money and the secrecy of donations made and to whom. These politicians should only work for us, not big businesses. Get rid of the corporations as “people” and see what happens.

  • Banton Man

    The guy in the glasses spoke the realest truth. Who can’t see that and feel it, is fast asleep. The love of MONEY “IS” the ROOT of “ALL” evil. That’s why any monetary crime happens. Why poverty exists. There is NO other solution. Collateral damage is the reality. Upto 30,000 children dead every day because money is god. Around 6 BILLION people struggling every day. 7 BILLION PEOPLE AT RISK.

    “MONEY AND POLITICS IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL” Nothing is more true, than this core truth and everything else is avoidance.

  • Gianna De Los Santos

    This guy should run for presidency! Damn!

  • Shaun Hartson

    Lobbyist run America

  • dragonladyalso

    Right on!
    It is no longer dems v. gop, nor even progressives v. conservatives. It is now:
    DC v. US

  • Nolan J. Reynolds

    This is one of he most intelligent and honest assessments on our country’s financial situation I’ve heard in a very long time. I make this point in my book over and over again hoping someone will make a difference. Bilderberg Ultimate Control: http://www.amazon.com/Bilderberg-Ultimate-Nolan-J-Reynolds/dp/1621830365/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1381763242&sr=8-3&keywords=bilderberg

  • Rodney Johnson

    The President is worse than the banking institutions and is probably receiving more money from them than the congress and senate combined. If we expect anything Good for this country to come from Obama then this nation is sick in the head and needs help. The Only way out of this mess is to replace the whole system with people that has not been trained or schooled by the same groups as those that are there today. Any one that is a member of any sec need not apply.

  • Jordan Kerman

    LOUD NOISES!

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  • angelicvh

    This needs to be place on every site in front of the president and acted upon immediately.

  • John Larsen

    Dylan Ratigan is awesome. Don’t always agree but miss him from Fast Money. There is an epic problem sweeping our nation that is destroying the middle-class and that will leave us bankrupt if we don’t do something to fix it. If you want to fix the government’s budget, we need aggregate growth in the 99%, not the 1%. CEO’s making 300x (or more) the average worker cannot spend the same as those 300 workers – it is an economic fact.

  • Kazumichi Taira

    Just another guy all up on himself, instead of the facts…

    Our country has been in debt since it borrowed TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to fund the Revolutionary War. The fact is that EVERY GENERATION has saddled the next with a seemingly insurmountable amount of debt. Interestingly enough, we have ALWAYS managed to move forward. How???…by creating MORE DEBT, of course. Right or wrong, debt IS the language of international finance. Screaming loudly does nothing but illustrate his childish and undeveloped concept of how to run the most sophisticated financial system that has ever existed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_costs_of_the_American_Revolutionary_War

  • Michael

    wasted breath….our corrupted government will not listen to anything anyone has to say

  • William Bryan

    You have to eliminate the Federal Reserve. Unless you do this, everything is just hot air.

  • Don’t be a Dick Morris

    Why is getting rid off that system, burning it to the ground, and irresponsible. That is the smart thing ever. They told you not to build it in the first place, dumb ass. You begged and demonized people for this, and now wallowing in guaranteed failure, and corruption, you call the only people warned you, stupid. This guy is crazy, because he is actually surprised he won’t be getting his utopia, and can’t admit he’s an ideologically subverted drone of failure.

  • Kevin Kasten

    I’m not a solicitor or a bot. I am an American Veteran disgusted with our governments incompetence. We, the people, can fix this.
    So if you agree with this man, you may want to check out a group that’s trying to fix the problem. https://movetoamend.org/

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=197402182 Chuck Norton

    He makes some good points, but we cannot forget that Obama is a creature of Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, maga-corps, big-union, George Soros, and the mortgage industry.

  • Faraz

    HERE is the best possible way to fight back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WPbqamkrgM

  • Art

    I love how the people in the background actually stopped to watch this.

  • James Holderman

    None of the current crap going on in our government is my fault. I voted! I voted for MYSELF the last two elections.

  • Scott Billingsley

    This guy is very calculating. At first you think something like “He’s right!” and some of what he says is correct. Our legislators are bought and paid for.

    However, he fails to make a list of who owns the congress, the senate and the presidency.

    He rattles off that the president should just go to the people and say this. However, the president has also been bought.

    He says our government has gone bad over the past 20 years. Really? Just the past 20 years? You mean since the American People fired the out of control democrat congress?

    His solution for the trillions in corporate money that won’t come back to our country is to force it back here and lend it out at 2%. Sound like he is for a liberated citizenry?

    If you read his solutions, everyone of them is to take more money out of the free market and put it under government control. He is for a federal sales tax for education which means he is for federal government schools.

    Those are just initial observations.

    Like I said, this guy is very calculating. He chooses his words carefully but he speaks the language of the Progressive Party which is today’s socialist party.

    He is against corporate corruption. Who isn’t?

    He has no criticism of union corruption.

    He has no criticism of big government corruption.

    He has no criticism of loss of individual freedom.

    At least none that I could find.

    He is good. Not great. But good.

  • gino

    Well…. he is not brilliant. He is just vocalizing what no one else will. I say he is not brilliant because his basic premise assume the President is not bought as well. …that is the root of the problem. THEY ARE ALL BOUGHT INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT. …EVEN THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF who are supposedly reporting to the president, but in reality they report to the CFR and work with the President to enact those directives. …geez… Americans are real stupid and get dumber every time they turn on the tube and believe the spin of MSM. …there is no hope except a ban of grass root Americans take the fight to the government with force and backing by another government… which aint never gonna happen. So just rush the death sentence of America through so we can die and start over quickly rather than this prolonged slow death.

  • Brian Smith

    I like this guy what say we kick them all out and start from scratch

  • disqus_z5BLojY2oa

    Think about it… we are being held hostage not only by our elected officials but by the insurance industry. How would you like it if our government passed a law requiring everyone to purchase your product? Just how filthy rich do you want to be?

  • Dan R

    this is ridiculous. losing his temper and shouting doesn’t make his argument more correct. he is trying to set up a rationalization for this president to continue to flout his oath of office to uphold and defend the constitution. he wants him to circumvent the constitutional authority given to Congress (regardless of how poorly they do their jobs) abandon his own obligation to follow the rule of law and institute whatever policies he thinks are for our own good. frustrated citizens may think this guy has a point and give the president a pass, but I never will. his passion is compelling, but it is a total mis-direct.

  • Griff Stone

    One of the legacies of the Bush Administration was a Koch Brothers’ bought right-leaning Supreme Court giving us Citizens United….now,corporations — even foreign corporations — buy our Congress. Thanks Bush! You truly were the worst American President ever.

  • Robert Duffield

    Our government representatives are all at fault . The American people need to take action ,as soon as possible . Weather at the poles or marching on WD . We need another revolution in America , weather we like it or not . If we don’t we will be nothing than another 3rd world country . Also ,the American people do not have enough of a safe guard on these politicians . Strict regulations on term limits to start , and than rules set forth by the American people while they are representing us . Also America needs a moral awaking and return to God .

  • Jonathan Louis Trapman

    This is the MSM weaning us onto a wake up they cannot afford to avoid. Though obfuscate they must to please their Zionist dual national masters/ They will like all slime try pull themselves out looking and smelling of roses. Since the MSM masters’ bottom line is to destroy America having bled it for all its resources, they can afford to loosen the reins on truth blackout, as the job is almost finalised.

    So while the nation bickers on about left, right, up your backside and down the plan unfolds for the final solution (pun intended)

  • djhill

    He is right on the mark. This country needs a real statesman to stand up and rally the people. Remember, it is supposed to be the people that elect our officials. It is also the people that are charged with removing corrupt self-serving politicians from office. Resurrect the Federalist party in the spirit for which it was originally created. (The party the majority of our greatest founding fathers once belonged to). Recreate Freedom by removing the pigeon hold structure we now have in place. We need a return to the constitutionality of laws invoked on the population. It is necessary to achieve the greatness of the American dream. Although taxes are a necessity in this day and age, paying for your continued citizenship with cash, is not the idea behind freedom. The greater good of the people does not give congress or the president the right to nationalize or socialize any programs. Furthermore, unfairly penalizing citizens unwilling to participate or belong to such programs are deplorable. Forcing these issues are what a dictator does. That is not a democracy! Listen to the people. Congress is supposed to be our voice, not our prison wardens.

  • Teresa

    I have been telling people this same thing for a VERY long time! If we quit having wars without funding them FIRST, and quit giving the REAL welfare queens-the corporations who make BILLIONS a year-subsidies, and we quit sending money to other countries, we could pay all our bills. If we made a Constitutional Amendment stating that Congress has to make Minimum Wage during their time in office, and take away their ability to participate in Insider Trading, make contributions from corporations and uber rich illegal, and they can’t get Lifetime Benefits for their tiny amount of time in office, AND they can’t have access to their own personal money during their time in office, we MIGHT be able to change how things are done in DC. Congress should not be able to pass any law or whatever, that affects the rest of the country that they are exempt from. WE have the power to make these things happen. WE have the responsibility to do this for our children and grandchildren. WE have the DUTY to vote-it is our responsibility, whether we like the candidates or not. If we do not exercise our right to vote, we WILL lose it!

  • Madam President Wells

    Agreed!

  • Madam President Wells

    Right, I hope to met this anchor soon!!!!!!!!! Smooches!

  • Tread7

    We need a new president ASAP!

  • miranda

    Finally someone said it! Thank you

  • Janet Locke

    Unfortunately, Obama is just as bought as the rest of them, in fact, more so.

  • atl2ptown

    His entire theory is bogus. As if Obama isn’t 100% bought…

  • WardKendall

    America’s wealth was never intended to help anyone but white Americans. As for the negroes here today, they’re simply the descendants of obsolete cotton-picking “machinery”. And the Mexicans? Just refugees from a failed Third World country. Accept it, you bleeding heart liberal/leftist/Cultural Marxists!

  • TLC-

    wow great arguments, I love this passionate conviction!

  • Michael Bell

    ding ding ding we have a winner

  • David Granica

    Have to agree…We need viable third party,,,and I ain’t taking Tea Party…We need a valid Party that is not bought and paid for,,based on Common Sense and Common Cents…fire the Polititians and the Bankers who own them…

  • James Frockle

    ‘Merica

  • dkme1

    We were told sequester was going to be a nightmare, nadda. We were told that the government shutdown was going to be a nightmare, even though Obama has tried to make Americans hurt, nadda. Now we are being told by the empty suit that we will default even though the bill is 34 billion a month and we are taking in 10 times that amount. Plus the 14th Amendment prevents such a default from happening because it orders the president to pay all notes and interest first! If we do not rise and take back this country, our children and grandchildren will hate us!

  • Don DeSando

    Give this guy his own show!

  • bruceh

    he is right. when you are right you are right.

  • Rightthinker1954

    What the hell everybody, that is the point our government is bought period. We the people regardless of party or no party need to take back our power. That is the point he is making. President Obama has said over and over again Washington doesn’t change Washington you do!
    But it does them good to have us pointing fingers of blame and insults at each other blaming each other. Because we just keep voting out a party to replace with another bought party and so on. WAKE UP.

  • Mareti

    Is this guy a well known anchor?
    Am from the UK, and can’t help but feel that he smacks of a star on the rise, whose PR and SEo peeps have watched Jeff Daniels in Newsroom. Atrocious grammar by the way. Extracted is a past participle.
    Does he have a political allegiance?

    • PIbber Seventy

      well, honestly, MSNBC would be the newer left answer to our Fox news(news being used ***loosely***, here…) and this guy is pretty much unknown to me. doesn’t mean he’s wrong. but, then, being right doesn’t get you the golden egg, all the time….

      past participles….welcome to american “english”. LoLz

  • Bobby33x

    WTF does this guy mean “it’s being extracted?” He’s sounds more like a boorish loudmouth who doesn’t know WTF is going on. It is not Wall Street who is stealing us blind…anything Wall Street gets is via VOLUNTARY Transactions – does this loudmouth not understand this. It is GOVERNMENT, specifically our Federal Government that is stealing us blind. Transactions with the government are ALWAYS done AT THE POINT OF A BAYONET. Does this loudmouth not get this. Being LOUD doesn’t make you right. In fact he should shut his pie hole! Especially since he didn’t make a single coherent point!

    • PIbber Seventy

      just because you’re incapable of absorbing or processing information that is new and foreign, doesn’t mean the person divulging, or disseminating, that information is wrong.

      • Bobby33x

        OK genius, what the heck is Ratigan talking about when he says “extracted.?” What is being “extracted?” And from whom?

  • Bobby33x

    None of these “newsies” gets it. There are two and soon to be three programs bankrupting America: 1) Social Security, 2) MediCare/MedicAid, and soon 3) ObamaCare…And let’s not forget the other “Unfunded Liabilities!” You mean there’s more? Oh yes, the taxpayer is on the hook for all those lucrative Federal Pensions and Healthcare Plans [and these aren't "Cadillac plans" they're "Rolls Royce plans." And ALL of THEM were given to us by the DEMOCRAT PARTY. I know it seems like you're being "non-partisan" when you say: "everyone on Capitol Hill and the White House is to blame." But, while that might be non-partisan, it's also NOT TRUE! These unfunded Liabilities were heaped on us by ONE PARTY - the DEMOCRATS! And our "watchdog [HA!] media” has been covering their tracks at least since the days of FDR! BTW, you know how much those unfunded liabilities amount to? At least $90,000,000,000,000, THAT’S $90 TRILLION DOLLARS FOLKS! So tell me, how are we ever going to pay these obligations the DEMOCRATS foisted upon us, and, WHERE the HELL WAS THE NEWS MEDIA WHEN THEY WERE DOING IT? No wonder the Greeks killed messengers [hint, hint].

    • PIbber Seventy

      i see you couldn’t understand what was being said. you’ve missed the point ENTIRELY.

      • Bobby33x

        Ratigan said: “There’s not a single politician who has stepped forward…” BALONEY!!! Ever hear of Ron Paul. Look, it’s the PEOPLE who elected these politicians…it’s the PEOPLE who chose NOT to nominate RON PAUL or STEVE FORBES, two guys who WERE GOING TO DEAL with these PROBLEMS and the PEOPLE said “NO” to the two men who had the guts to TELL the TRUTH! PEOPLE GET THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE. It was true of ROME; It was true of NAZI GERMANY; it was TRUE of MAO’s CHINA and it’s true of the USA. If we make DUMBASS decisions IT’S ON US!!!

        • PIbber Seventy

          sorry, but if you think it’s SS, medicare or medicaid sinking us, you’ve got a lot to learn. lesson one: the government is not a business, stop treating it like one.

          • Bobby33x

            Well you better wake up, because that’s exactly what’s sinking the USA: SS, MediCare/MedicAid, ObamaCare and Gov’t pensions. Where have you been? SS & MediCare/MedicAid make up the largest share of Fed spending, along w/Interest on the Debt and Military…those are the four biggest items FYI.

          • PIbber Seventy

            oh, well, you’re right. fuck all the kids and the elderly and the sick. fuck em. let’s give all those neato military contractors and corporations that do oh so much for us MORE MOAR MOAR MONEY. and then we can cut taxes more and more and start more unfunded wars and keep borrowing money to pay for those things. but, you’re right. fuck our citizens.

          • Bobby33x

            Nice language, obviously you have nothing relevant to say. May I suggest you read the Constitution of the USA. Its preamble says: “Provide for the Common Defense, promote the general Welfare…” Our Founders were very particular in the language they used and there is quite a difference between the words ‘Provide’ and ‘Promote.’ The combined ‘take’ of State, Local, and Federal governments already exceeds more than 40% of national income, just how much more do you think government should steal? Give me an exact pct. you think justified and try keeping the profanity to a minimum or I’ll hunt you down and wash your mouth out w/soap!

          • PIbber Seventy

            common defense and general welfare. sounds good to me. stop being and obstinate fuck and realize that the general welfare involves taking care of your citizens. holy shit. come find me keyboard commando. come find me LOLz

          • Bobby33x

            Obviously you’re a moron who cannot distinguish between the words ‘Provide” and “Promote.” And again, w/the profanity? More proof you’re a worthless idiot and probably a government worker.

          • PIbber Seventy

            what’s being provided? what the fuck is wrong with you? as it is, the PPACA makes insurance AVAILABLE, not free. even if we had completely socialized our health care, we’d still be fucking paying for it through taxes. holy shit you’re a dumb fuck, aren’t you? and, most likely, because we are goddamn america, after all, you’d still be able to get concierge medical care ON TOP of any socialized health care. why are you such a small picture kind of person?

            so, government of the people, by the people, for the people. not government of the corporation, by the corporation, for the corporation. fuck that shit.

          • Bobby33x

            Are you a worthless gov’t worker? I mean, what’s w/the lingo? Is that all you can do is engage in profanity. If I find you, you’re gonna get a mouth full of soap! Again, moron, 2/3rds of our $3.7 TRILLION Fed Budget is Social spending – do the math you idiot!

          • PIbber Seventy

            i’m asking this because i’m genuinely curious. are you fucking stupid? ARE YOU….YOU….FUCKING STUPID??

          • Bobby33x

            Moron, you obviously can neither read nor comprehend; you sound as dumb as a government school teacher and you continue w/the profanity, which shows you’re not just a moron but a moron w/no class. You typify the people on the Left.

          • PIbber Seventy

            yeah, i’m the moron. i’m not the fucking dickbag moron that shut the government down trying to “reign in spending” while wasting $24 FUCKING BILLION DOLLARS. you’re so full of shit i can smell it over the shitting internet. good day, sir!

          • Bobby33x

            Profanity is proof of your stupidity.

  • delores_in_wa_state

    Dylan, we see much of the same thing, BUT revamping the banking system is only a band-aid on a ruptured artery. My proposal is the surgery to make America well again. Click photo to enlarge or go the the non-partisan group and join the effort. We feel doing these three things will keep politicians honest – if they want to keep their job for the people.

    http://www.facebook.com/groups/TransparencyUSA/

    • Bobby33x

      If I call my congressman and demand lower tax rates, is that not lobbying? Lobbyists are not the downfall of the republic, the downfall is idiots being given the franchise. Churchill said: “the best argument I can think of against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.”

  • Masonic1776

    It’s a start. First time I’ve seen anything like this rant on MSM in a long, long time, from someone who wasn’t just being interviewed. He will never be heard from again or will have his own show soon. Maybe his own show, then…never heard from again.

  • Zach Brewer

    wow. this guy, in my opinion is 100 percent on the money! maybe we should vote for him next election.

  • BassFreak

    Glad he gave everyone else a chance to talk.

  • Michael Crisp

    Eye opener,,,,,,,,,,,

  • WeThePeople99

    I am in total agreement. It is time our President stood up and told “We The People” that the laws and rules that govern congress are no longer working. The all mighty dollar has to be taken out of the equation when it comes to anything that congress is voting on. Special interest groups should no longer be able to donate to a member of congress. That accepting these monies should be illegal, a conflict of interest and should be punishable by you losing your seat in congress. I agree right now our President can not do anything until congress is done kicking sand in the playground. But what if all of us, all of the American citizens, “We The People” “hereby give our President the power to restructure congress”.

  • http://www.water-research.net/ Brian Oram

    Yeah – excellent- The person that takes this step – should be the next President

  • Ben Ernst

    The president can’t say that because then the same investors would fire his ENTIRE congress. Maybe a senator should step up and bite the bullet, with the full promise of funding support from the DNC should (s)he choose to run again.

  • Nancy Caton

    Let’s do it! I’ll support his ideas!

  • http://uberpong.com/ davidjlowe

    Embarrassing that a nation as powerful as the USA can be in dire straits like this. He is right. It is not about Obama or Bush. They both failed but both governments have created corrupt systems that con the entire population.

  • gmart

    Our entire economy – as is the world economy – is a pyramid scheme. Based on continuous growth and consumption. You can’t balance budgets without raising taxes and making smart cuts. However, since DoD is the largest portion of the discretionary budget, if you want to cut you have to cut DoD. If you want cuts, but you won’t cut DoD, then you are not serious about making cuts. Also, to continue to fund the military, roads, agriculture, etc., you have to raise taxes.

  • Nick Kossovan

    “America’s not a country. It’s just a business.” – Killing Them Softly

  • Jonas Bain

    I once held the same opinion of the people screaming that votes don’t matter. (I will never forget Prez election 2000) Now I am a local, state, and federal voter every freaking time. Why? Because everything is bigger than me. I can only complain or rejoice if I participate. Now I participate fully. I encourage everyone I know to participate…regardless if I know they are opposed to my own desires or beliefs. I think…one – because such a large portion of the population was disenfranchised for so long… it is the utmost importance that we all take advantage of being able to vote, and two- the way our system is created (and unless bomb throwing and sniper fire are your idea of how to change things) relies on the most people showing up to voice their opinion, in order to create change. I, personally, have subsequently spent years in education in order to encourage people to vote… It is the only way, without bullets, to create change. Good luck all!

  • kyle

    youre all fighting about shit that he just said, its the whole fucking goverment is bought, youre sitting here blaming the democrats and the gop and the republicans and the tea party and this and that, and thats why nothing is getting fixed because you all just like the congress and the president want to point fingers at someone else. if this country is going to go anywhere you all need to take responsibility, wake the fuck up, and do something with your life to change it, im 19 and im so thrilled that all you older generations have left with me and my generation with a complete shit hole of country that the world hates because you all want to fix their problems before you can fix your own, i love my america but im damn sure disgusted and angry with the government and both political parties for pointing fingers and not doing anything about it

    • PIbber Seventy

      pay attention. Obama was trying to do something for you. but, the tea party shit the bed. the war between the corporations and the rest of america has been going on for a long time. there’s a reason we wrote laws preventing child labor, slave labor; we wrote laws guaranteeing that you don’t have to work 20 hours a day for pennies. we wrote laws insuring safe work environments for a reason. and, with every step forward, there, literally, have been corporations fighting us. fighting the very people they hire.

      think about it this way. minimum wage; if they could pay you less, they would, but they can’t because the law says they can’t. people are fighting to turn the government into a business. it is not, and never was meant to be, a business.

      if you think this country is a shit hole. you haven’t seen shit. if you think that, you’re buying the snake oil. someone wants you to think it’s all going downhill. they want you to believe it’s not worth the fight. but it is.

      • twarren1

        Excellent reply

  • Benjamin Legg

    I believe the government will collapse as did Rome. The people can only take so much until they realize enough is enough. Be ready by self-sustaining yourself once everything falls apart. Know how to grow your own vegetables and fruits. Learn how to hunt and build shelter. The end of an old America is at hand. The start of a new America is just around the corner.

    • PIbber Seventy

      it’ll collapse if we let it. we could actually, you know, strive to keep it working. but, otherwise, you’re totally right.

    • Bobby33x

      Well Ben, is the New America going to be Free or a Socialist dictatorship?

  • Mitchell Davis
    • Mitchell Davis

      Relevant to several threads on this page.

  • janis shouse

    get rid of the dems and rep. get all new people in white house

  • janis shouse

    obama is not the man to do this , he is one of the problems

  • Jak

    This guys a moron, he talks about congress being bought but yet blames it on the Dems, need I remind people it was a Republican led Supreme Court that over turned Citizens United which ultimately allowed unlimited funding back into our politics, it was also the Supreme Court that just gutted the Voter Rights Act, you want to talk about being bought ask the Republicans how gerrymandering is working for them, taking away tens if not hundreds of thousands of legal voters their ability to vote.

    No I am not saying Democrats are perfect one bit, but the problem with this country is the Republican party, what it has turned into lately is disgusting, Obama put bill after bill in front of the House trying to fix the economy and the debt but unless it was to the demands of the Republican party it was voted down, go read the list of bills the House voted NO on and then ask yourselves who is to blame.
    And while I do agree about big business and government, it was also the Republicans who shot down closing the loop holes, raising taxes on the wealthiest people in America.

    Ask anyone what fixes an economy the most, its two things, raising taxes on the wealthiest and cutting taxes for the middle class, our minimum wage is a joke in this country, something like 48% of people who work minimum wage jobs have to rely on social programs like welfare, food stamps etc… who can possibly live and support a family on 7.25 per hr do the math people, the rich are extremely rich because of Bush and Cheney and lets talk about the 17 trillion in debt, 10 of which was there before Obama took office, 5 of which Bush contributed and I would argue 6 of what occurred under Obama was a direct result of the Bush administration, two wars, highest tax cuts to the wealthiest in 50 years, Bush passed stimulus in 2007 before he left office and raised the debt ceiling four times, yet under Obama this is called wasteful spending by the right wing.

    If you really want to talk about what is wrong with this country, it really has everything to do with Obama and the hatred the right wing party has for him, its about ruining his presidency so they can say look what the only African American elected president did while he was in office, Clinton did not get this much trouble from the right and he was impeached, that says a lot.

    • shotsee50

      Dude…. you need to turn off MSNBC and get a better education

      • twarren1

        He sounds pretty fucking informed to me. You’re the mouth-breather in this equation

        • David Puddy

          LOL…….. Big girl sitting behind your key board aren’t you squirt?

          • twarren1

            What does that have to do with anything? Based on your comments on this page you sound like a slope-browed reactionary idiot with not much plausible information to back up your moronic opinions.

            Am I wrong?

    • Bobby33x

      Hey Jak[off], “Citizens United” decision was about Free Speech and that Gov’t cannot restrict it except under very narrow circumstances [e.g.> "fire in a theatre" or "fighting words"]. Re the Voting Rights Act, it wasn’t gutted, SCOTUS said Fed. can’t oversee where there haven’t violations for years. Obama’s economic policies have been a disaster & thank God the Republican House is keeping this nitwit President from enacting anymore of his stupid ideas. There are 4 things killing this economy: 1) Obama allowed tax rates on dividends & capital gains to go up 60% on January 1st, 2) ObamaCare which is hitting businesses with unknowable cost horizons, so they aren’t expanding unless absolutely necessary, 3) Out of Control Fed Spending – do you understand EVERY dollar spent is a TAX?, and 4) Out of control regulatory agencies like EPA & DoE whose minions are accountable to NO ONE. ALL regulatory proposals should have to get a ROLL CALL vote in Congress & then a Presidential Signature. Bureaucrats are elected by no one and as such should not have the power to issue anything that has the FORCE of LAW. We’re in trouble because morons like you have the right to vote.

      Your 48% figure is baloney, according to the BLS, 4.7% of workers work at minimum wage, so your just spewing out nonsense. Having said that, there should be NO MINIMUM wage laws at all. They are antithetical to a Free society. If I’m willing to work for X and someone is willing to hire at that wage – IT’S NONE of the GD Gov’t’s business!

      Bush was a moron [like you] and he got us into a PRXY WAR for ISRAEL. ISRAEL should not be allowed to dictate our Middle East policy – BTW, Israel, the 16th RICHEST NATION on EARTH – gets a third of all American Foreign aid. The ISRAEL LOBBY is BY FAR, the most powerful lobby in WashDC and will remain so until our Media – which is DOMINATED by Left Wing Jews – starts telling the truth and that’s probably not going to happen anytime soon.

      BTW, it was Clinton’s 2nd term which saw great economic growth and 4 surpluses and that’s because the 1st Republican House in 40 years was elected – AND THEY KEPT CLINTON FROM BEING CLINTON YOU IDIOT!

  • thesaints949

    The USA will Never be able to repay their debt…the US dollar is going to tank…other countries will stop buying it…invest in gold…the gold standard is coming :)

  • dan690

    It still comes down to the fact that there is a fool in the White House who is attempting to bankrupt the country. We need to vote out all liberals, democrat or republican.

  • shotsee50

    obama and his administration will go down in history as the worst this country has ever seen. Thank GOD we only have less then 36 months until obama and his family are sent back to Chicago.

  • ginny2shoes

    why do we the people keep voting in the same congress people and senators all the time?? This shouldn’t be a career. Why is McCain in so long? How about Teddy Kennedy, how long was he in? My local congressman has been in about 20 years, I try to vote him out just because I believe they shouldn’t make a career out of making decisions for me or spending my tax dollars but the sheeple keep voting them in for the promises they make. WAKE UP PEOPLE.

  • ryan

    can we just make this guy the president right now?

  • John West

    What he says doesn’t matter … The feds and the banks are in cahoots along with other outside interests to destroy America and it’s middle class in particular. This is not a matter of bad policy it is a matter of treason and ultimate revolution . Talking is not going to fix this.

    Our president is not an american …. His backers are evil and it’s over but formthe burning of bodies.

    • twarren1

      Hyperbole much?

  • Andrew Moore

    Would love for someone on the TV to have the balls to say, “It’s the imperialism”. Dylan Ratigan has the balls to say all of the politicians are trying to save their own jobs by kicking the can down the road. But he’s just saving his own job by not having the balls to say, “It’s the imperialism, stupid.” Talking about anything else- food stamps, oil subsidies, farm subsidies, ObamaPhones, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Weapons makers control it all. A general mastery of 7th grade math and some courage is all it takes to solve this. http://www.sipri.org/research/armaments/production/Top100

  • twarren1

    He’s making some very good points. He would be more compelling if he just stopped yelling.

    • gene456

      No it would not. He’s not saying anything new. He’s just putting more emphasis on it.

      • twarren1

        I think most of what he’s saying would be quite new for a lot of people who spend their lives at Applebees, watching Dancing With The Stars and buying Chinese crap day in and day out, but I don’t think they’ll wake up long enough to hear him.

  • Robert Bruce Alexander

    Nope, he’s crazy. Centrally planned solution to a problem that is caused at least in part by central planning? Pres. Obama once again going around congress to “solve things”? Come on! The government is going to come down on and fix government corruption? Don’t listen to this idiot.

  • Dot

    The people have to do it. Quit voting for the guy with the most commercials.

  • Bob

    There are many places to cut the budget but every program has supporters and they all pay off Congress. Below are a few areas I would cut, and they would be EASY.

    Ways and Means/Tax increase side

    eliminate all corporate welfare like oil and gas subsidy credits;

    eliminate some personal tax credits and reduce others, for example. cut the earned income tax credit in half to pre-Bush tax cuts level;

    eliminate some tax deductions and limit other tax deductions;

    Spending side

    maintain the sequestor;

    eliminate sugar, milk, and other subsides; this may increase prices in sugar and milk products but we will pay for those products instead of paying via our federal taxes;

    cut local agriculture offices in half;

    maintain the sequester;

    cut uniformed forces to 1998 levels;

    increase retired military contributions and CoPays to TriCare, this sucks up 10% of the DOD budget right now and is overly generous;

    eliminate items that DOD does NOT want, like the tanks;

    cut the F35 purchases 50%;

    eliminate social security disability fraud, prosecute and advertise convictions;

    make it much harder to get social security disability;

    cut block grants to states for job training, homeland security, low-income housing and energy assistance, while maintaining the block grants for medicaid, mental health, and other health services; this may increase state and local taxes but that is where this expense belongs;

    focus on cutting spending on those states where we spend a lot more federal $$$ than we collect, example Alaska, Mississippi and Utah;

    eliminate home loans by many federal agencies that have no business in the home ownership market, like USDA loans, eliminate all USDA home mortgages;

    change medicare and medicare to save $$$ but I do not know how to do so, however, I have seen many medical professionals and the AETNA CEO say medical bills could be cut 30% if the Federal Government took charge; as opposed to the medical lobbyists and PACS, that are currently in charge, and will not let our cowardly Congressman makes the necessary changes;

    change social security by adding one year of age to minimum retirement;

    recognize education should be funded 100% locally and eliminate most federal education funding, yes this may increase local taxes;

    freeze federal pay for 2 more years, that will be a total of five years, more than enough time for a pay freeze;

    increase pension contributions for federal FERS employees and military.

  • Mitchell Davis
  • moogy77

    It’s the Republicans everybody, that asked, and got the Supreme court to pass People for the American Way! That put more money in the pockets of the politicians then anything Obama could have ever done!

  • Swapster_com

    dollar crash inevitable.

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  • Sokr8ez

    Mitchell, I am in the Majority! Why do you not respect the Will of the Majority and end the extortion. The Majority do not vote. The “winners” in your putrid system earn 20% of the eligible votes if they are lucky. Fuck your system. there is no rule of law. The Social Contract has been broken. We nullify your system. You cannot even get people to sit on juries in your “legal system”. You are a sycophant.

  • Ian Breuser

    It looks like it is time to add another amendment to the U.S. constitution “Separation of Corporation and State”. This would limit the ability for corporations to have an influence in politics Limiting campaign contributions to $1000 would help too. Now it is time for me to write a letter to the President.

  • http://www.nomadcapitalist.com/ Nomad Capitalist

    Decent points, but it’s still a too statist for me. Getting rid of the current idiots in Congress will usher in a new era of idiots. How many of the golden boys you elected two, four, ten years ago are sell-outs now? Almost all of them. The issue is government and the culture of the USSA. Hard to fix.

    • oregonrocks

      The system has to fail in order to fix it, sad but I do not see another way.

  • Laura Rose

    President Obama just stood up to Congress and told America Congress was holding us hostage. He is not a puppet, nor an antagonist, and is able to assert his authority in a manner that brings out the truth and gets results.

  • oregonrocks

    obama is a puppet the same as bush and clinton and all the others before him.

  • DeoVindiceTriHexa

    Right. The Marxist Muslim “leader of the free world” community organizer is going to step up? Sorry – he’s too preoccupied “fundamentally changing” the United States into a Third World country.

  • Mitchell Davis

    You can vote the crazy people out. If you choose not to, then you are a hypocrite from both benefiting from and complaining about the broken system.

    Really, if all of you dolts got together and voted out the party-players we could fix this mess in less than a decade.

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  • MilitaryVeteran

    This ranter, Dylan Ratigan, ended up justifying action by the world’s greatest fraud, Obama, to seize control of the US Government. At some point, Obama could say he will ignore Congress and rule through executive order. How close are we to that now? Obama shows his contempt for the US Constitution on a daily basis through outrageous violations of our fundemental law. The US Government, from the top down, is now so corrupt that anything is possible.

  • Jacki Cronk-Bowers

    He needs to run for president! I would vote for him. Finally some one who is not pointing fingers at one party or the next but at the whole damn system! He is spot on with everything he is saying! WAKE UP AMERICA – WE ARE SCREWING UP THE BEST DAMN COUNTRY THERE IS AND WILL EVER BE! Put your politics aside and use your head!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Gene Trevino

    Both parties are two sides of the same coin. It’s just an illusion. A dog and pony show.

    Don’t waste your time into thinking you can make a difference by voting. The votes are rigged and have been for years.
    Don’t blame Obama, like someone posted here below, he is a shill. A mindless puppet. He just does what he is told. Congress has betrayed their office and the American people.

    The real problem is that we have been taken over by communist antichrist, jews.

    The same as what happened in Russia, China, and Germany. They are every high position in every government office. They control the money printing apparatus known as the Federal Reserve, which is only a private bank and not affiliated with the Federal government.

    If you want to know who runs America, it’s the jews. Yeah, I know you’re going to start with that worthless antisemitism crap, but that argument is irrelevant and no longer valid. What Israel does to the indigenous Palestinians, whom, are the rightful heirs to that land, is genocide. The Palestinians are direct descendants of the Hebrews and genetically linked to that area,

    The european jew or ashkenazi, have no connection to the semitic area, but are frauds pretending to be land owners of Israel, but rightfully called, Palestine. Even Jesus warned about them. “Those that say they are Jews,but are not”.

    By the way, I’m Jewish. I renounce racist judaism and the evil talmud to follow Christ Jesus. The son of God.

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  • Hezekiah Stephan Shabazz

    FUCKING RIGHT.

  • Meredith Lapinsky

    It won’t solve everything, but something that would be a HUGE help would be to legalize the growing of hemp in this country! No…not marijuana. Hemp!! Two different plants entirely! I can’t believe that this is not even considered when it can provide us with so many resources within our own country.

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  • raw hide

    ahh didn’t Ted Cruz say basically the same thing about this country and then the libs wanted to crucify him for it.

  • Chewbacca

    Awesome…this guy hit’s it right on the head, he oughta team up with O’Reilly, imagine that….two opposite sides teaming together for the better of the country….the asshole politicians would be running for the hills and we might just save our country.

  • 2War Abn Vet

    We do have two primary programs here:

    1. Democrat politicians who are hellbent to turn our Republic into a “Marxist Utopia”.
    2. Republican politicians who are willing to “go along-get along” with anything that will allow them to retain their personal power.

  • sdomenico

    Omg! I love Dylan R. He was host of my favorite show “Fast Money” until he did just this…
    Then the big money players that he speaks of that bought our government, got him off the show as soon as his contract was up. He is a revolutionary and I totally agree with him.

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  • Leonard Rusciani Jr

    Uh, Tea Party? This is the only movement that has had success in removing bought politicians from office. But no, we are crazy and racist.

  • GAS33

    A perfectly useless rant. No. 1 – what percentage of the American public even SAW this rant. No. 2 – complaining about the ubiquitous ‘them’ with no particular specifics. No. 3 – no specific solutions or road map for change(s), just useless ranting. No. 4 – most people for a variety of reasons, pay little or no attention to what is going on around them, in their local communities, their State, in the federal government, and couldn’t find China, India or Egypt on a world globe, and probably at least half couldn’t identify who Joe Biden is. The average person in this country barely gets involved in politics every two to four years. No. 5 – most people vote not based on ideology, they don’t even know what the word means, they vote on who they perceive will give them the most freebies, or take away the fewest, or reduce entitlements the least. Blacks voted for BHO on the basis of race alone, and he has hurt them more than any other president in US history.

    Quit looking for government to help you. Help yourself. Help your family members, and IF there is anything left over, you help others. What you earn is yours! You have no entitlement to anything, which you did not earn or did not inherit. The world does not owe you anything, not a job, not health care, not health insurance (and there is a difference), not food, not clothing, the world owes you nothing! That means you’d better stop wishing, stop hoping, and start doing. Or save the rest of us a lot of time, effort and money, and just die quickly. Life is hard. Get used to it. It’s hard for Donald Trump and other wealthy people, they are not immune to pain and suffering, even though they have more choices than most of the rest of us. In short, grow up people! Get real and quit making excuses, and looking for someone to blame for your lot in life!!!!

  • know1cares

    This guy should be president!

  • Corey Crabill

    “We the people….” was abandoned 5 mins after it was written. He’s both right and wrong. The president isn’t the one who needs to stand up….WE DO! The first words in the constitution. Are we going to stand up?….Never! Tomorrow we will go to stores and buy products that were made overseas to increase coporations profits from the possible 5 billion a year if they used american labor, to the 15 billion it’s at now using cheap foreign labor. We will pay the cashier who’s making poverty wages to raise her family, while the CEOs who just spent a hard day on the golf courses are deciding in which city they want to build there fifth vacation homes in. Tomorrow thousands of illegal immigrants will be hired by our small business owners for below minimum wages and our money will be sent across borders come payday. Why is America in debt?……Because the rich are sitting on the vast majority of the money and the rest isn’t even in our country anymore! Knowledge isn’t power…..POWER is power! Unless you’re standing at the White House fence right now demanding change in this country, you are doing absolutely nothing.

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  • timothy burke lines

    when is some one going to expose ,it has been sick religion [the hell fires,that fuck up their offsprings]in the gov.or is not fucking cool enough?

  • Ray Butler

    He has a point but it is still quite myopic; most people have enough on their plate just looking after their own, so most people aren’t or cannot be expected to have some duty to the socio-economic situation of communities. But then there are people whose sphere of influence reaches beyond their own personal situation and they should have a responsibility relative to that influence.

    People have rights and responsibilities, no matter if you are a shit kicker or the CEO of a big bank, and it seems there is no clear lines between those rights and responsibilities. And obviously people with wealth/power are going to use that potential to fight back responsibility in favour of more rights, it is both natural and a conflict of interest.

    I don’t think people should be entitled on the level this guy is ranting about but I do think people are entitled to some standard of decency as far as their socio-economic situation, including access to the level of education they are capable of to position them to be able to realise their own potential, or at least earn for themselves as close to that potential as they are willing to make an effort towards.

    You have that standard of decency and then what you do with it is up to you; you can strive to be the best you can and glean all the rewards that come of that or you can stay at that standard but in that case you have no right to complain that you do not have more.

  • historyshowsus

    This is such BS. This president DID say those things when he was running in 2008. He promptly reneged on ALL those stances as soon as he got elected.
    His platform WAS anti spending (directed at George Bush specifically), corruption at the corporate level (associated specifically at the lobbyists) and banking corruption. He immediately spent about a trillion dollars in “STIMULUS”, hired about a dozen advisers and cabinet members who had DIRECT TIES to lobbyists and then bailed out the banks.
    The ONLY people that still support this lying crook are bleeding hearts that are too stupid to know that socialism has failed in almost every country that tried it, entitlement mentality racist blacks, whites who think that supporting a black president makes them look enlightened and whites that fell for the “white guilt” emotional blackmail coming from race baiters like Jackson a not-Sharpton.

  • John Ullman

    R E V O L U T I O N !!! Impeach and Prosecute Fraudulent Obama now! Arrest Obama and Regime for Treason! and War Crimes! Trojan horse in office! Placing radical Muslims in all agencies in key positions in office, Gave tons of weapons to the “rebels” al queda in Syria creating false flags. Will inspire, create, manufacture Civil Unrest!, Civil War!, a World War 3! to initiate Martial Law and rule as a King, Dictator. Already has trained China, Russian soldiers on American soil, to assist United Nations with Martial Law to take away our 2nd amendment rights. He will destroy America, our Constitution, Bill of Rights, our way of life. Too many abnormalities for this Fraud to remain. It is our right!, our duty of all Americans to take a stand and throw down this Obama regime! Conduct trials of the one’s who were elected and chose not to uphold the Constitution, protect the American people. Traitors to the American people and trying to Financially collapse our Nation. The Republic of the United States of America and Territories, no to Globalists agendas.

  • debdellapiana

    This guy is ABSOLUTELY correct.

  • Dam Spahn

    Good for him. Too bad we’ll never hear a president speak those words, since, like congress, that office is bought and paid for by the powerful Kleptocrats.

  • Solomom

    Finally, someone who is not sugar coating things and telling it like it is and I hope that the people of this wonderful country will wake up and see the truth and choose to take action. Yes, our congress is bought out & is corrupt. They don’t give a damn about you and me – that’s the bottom line!

  • krispyflux .

    I really
    loved the video and the way he argumented everything he said in that temper,
    that proves strength, some would even dare to say the strength of leadership.
    Later on, when I read the description below, I noticed the signing of the
    petition section. I thought to myself that by using the method of petition one
    would be able to examine whether he has the public support or not after he
    reached out to them. And what’s the best way to get that sort of attention?
    Well, the public broadcast media. When observing him one must take it as a
    frame that this guy is using his position in the media in order to start a
    political campaign. By the way he said those words I just listened to, I thing
    he’s not in it for the power but rather for glory. He wants to be a great
    president like Roosevelt and get his head carved in Mount Rushmore. And even
    though I lack complete knowledge of American history as I am European, I am
    very well acquainted with what Lincoln, Roosevelt, Jefferson and Washington
    did. (I still don’t understand why Kennedy isn’t up there but I guess that’s
    where the lack of my knowledge on the matter kicks in). What these men have in
    common is that they did great things. These guys are Ratigan’s role models. (Those
    are pretty damn good role models if you ask me.) And if his words and ideas
    were to be true he would be compelled to start acting about it straight away.
    That’s what the “putting his preach into action” means. The idea is
    that only by showing people in real life what he is capable to do he would be
    able to prove that he is not in it for the power. And here’s where the
    troubling thought occurs: are his intentions true or false? To answer that
    question we must first ask ourselves what do we know about him? As we watched
    this video we saw that he has a very strong personality and dominant attitude,
    he is ready and open to loudly discuss the problem of political corruption and
    thus throw himself into the lion pit. What we are seeing here is an archetype of
    the Gladiator. A parallel, but much more dangerous from the Gladiator, is the
    archetype of the General. A historical embodiment of this sort was represented
    by the Napoleon. If we were to believe that the story of Spartacus would be
    true than we would agree that Spartacus embodies the archetype of the
    Gladiator. What our own Spartacus here needs are allies. Good and trustworthy allies.
    No one can survive on their own.

  • June Genis

    Unfortunately the President and his party are just as bought as any other part of our government. Whether you agree with this guy’s proposed solution (beyond the President making that speech) that speech ain’t gonna get made. That’s why its time to stop voting for both Democrats and Republican no matter how much money they spend trying to convince us that the world will fall apart if we vote for independent and third party candidates. We have to vote by conscience regardless of whether the people we like best are perceived as having a chance to win. If we all start doing that, they WILL win.